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Aug 9, 2019 15:19
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Spanish term

pelota valenciana

Spanish to English Other Sports / Fitness / Recreation Ball games
SPAIN. I know what this is - there is also a Basque version, and it's similar to what I believe is called Jai Alai, although the Valencian version doesn't use the basket type throwing implement (xistera). But the question is, do we have an equivalent for it in English or do we just simply call it "pelota", perhaps in italics?

"La galotxa es una modalidad de pelota valenciana"
Proposed translations (English)
1 +2 Valencian pilota and its variants - Llargues, Escala i Corda, Raspall, Galotxa
4 Valencian pilota-Valencian ball
4 (Valencian-variety) 'Fives'
3 Valencian ball game

Discussion

Christian [email protected] Aug 10, 2019:
México or Méjico Many, many years ago, in my native Venezuela, there was a long back-and-forth in one of our local newspapers regarding the proper way to write México. While both ways are apparently acceptable, what clinched it for me was when someone said "México" is how Mexicans like it. So, I vote for PILOTA.
Charles Davis Aug 10, 2019:
That's true enough, but what are we to do? You could add a description of the game in parentheses after "Valencian pilota". But comparisons with other games are only going to be any help if the reader is familiar with those other games. Take fives, for example. Quite a lot of English speakers have probably heard of it, but I am pretty sure that only a small minority have any idea of how it's played, so the comparison will not shed much light. You might say something like "a game somewhat similar to tennis in which the ball is struck with the hand rather than with a racquet". But that's not a translation; it's an explanation.

In any case, I'm not sure it's as bad as all that. Many people have heard of pelota and will guess that a game called pilota is probably similar. And anyway, if this text is discussing varieties of pilota such as galotxa it's probably not aimed at readers with no notion of the game at all.

This is not a version of another game and it would be wrong to say that it is.
Adrian MM. Aug 10, 2019:
pilota valenciana We ought to be wary of assuming basic Spanish knowledge in an average English-speaking reader, even professionals. The majority of British expats in Spain I know bandy about terms like 'escritura' without even realising what it means.
Charles Davis Aug 10, 2019:
To put it plainly: this game is called pilota valenciana. Its only English name is Valencian pilota (or pelota). There is nothing else you can call it. Basque pelota, not to mention fives, are different games.
Charles Davis Aug 10, 2019:
@Adrian I don't think there's anything to argue about, personally. In my opinion, interesting though it may be to compare this with the many more or less similar games that exist in different parts of the world, such comparisons are beside the point for translation purposes.
Adrian MM. Aug 10, 2019:
Fives vs. badminton & squash Perhaps someone would like to stay on-topic and take the fives vs. badminton & squash Spanish regional-variations ball and run with it: www.linguee.com/spanish-english/translation/juega al squash...
Charles Davis Aug 10, 2019:
True And all the more so since Compromís took over.

On university names: it's same with UVEG. You have to be careful here, because the Valencian (i.e., Catalan) form of the university's name is its official name, and in theory, if you put "Universidad de Valencia" instead of "Universitat de València" as your affiiliation on an academic article, it may not be officially recognised by the university, which means it doesn't count towards your sexenio etc.

I'm finding a lot of sensitivity over this generally in Valencia at the moment, particularly since the Catalan business came to a head. My valencianista friends have generally become more militant about linguistic matters.
neilmac (asker) Aug 10, 2019:
Pilota Many Valencian institutions now prefer to used the Valencian spelling, for example, the UPV no longer wants its name to be translated in official documents.
Charles Davis Aug 9, 2019:
pilota or pelota? I would personally favour the Valencian (or Catalan) spelling. This game is very strongly associated with Valencian-speaking culture, and I think it's an appropriate mark of respect for that culture not to Castilianise it, even though the Castilian spelling "pelota" is more famliar in English.

Proposed translations

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Valencian pilota and its variants - Llargues, Escala i Corda, Raspall, Galotxa

Valencian pilota and its variants - Llargues, Escala i Corda, Raspall, Galotxa

sources:

Valencian pilota - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian_pilota
Valencian pilota is a traditional handball sport played in the Valencian Community. Its origins are not known. Valencian pilota match. Rules variations within the ...

Valencian pilota - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian_pilota
Pilota Valenciana or Valencian pilota (pilota means ball in Valencian) is a traditional handball sport played in the Valencian Community. Its origins are not ...

Valencian Pilota - Valencia For 91 Days
https://valencia.for91days.com/valencian-pilota/
The unofficial sport of Valencia is pilota, a type of handball played in long halls known as trinquets. This fast-moving game is like a mix between volleyball and ...

Valencian Pilota the Sport - Topend Sports
https://www.topendsports.com/sport/list/valencian-pilota.htm
Feb 8, 2019 - What is Valencian Pilota? It is a traditional handball sport played in the Valencian Community of Spain, there is no wall, players hit the ball ...

Valencian Pilota - WordPress.com
https://bwallspwalls2018.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/valenci...
Valencian pilota is a traditional handball sport played in the Valencian Community. Its origins are not known, but seem to be related to the French Jeu de Paume.

Galotxa - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galotxa
Galotxa is a variety of pilota that is always played in the street, whether artificial or natural, practiced mostly in the northern counties of the Xúquer river. In the evolution of the various Valencian pilota forms, Galotxa would be ...

SPORT IN JAVEA - VALENCIAN PILOTA - javeamigos.com
www.javeamigos.com/dir_sport/pilota.htm
Although the exact origins of Valencian Pilota are not known, it is certainly more ... Valencian pilota and its variants - Llargues, Escala i Corda, Raspall, Galotxa ...
Peer comment(s):
agree Charles Davis : Just Valencian pilota; cut the rest (not required here).
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Thanks, Charles, also for your peer comment!
agree philgoddard : I agree with Charles. Also, it's usually spelled pelota in Spanish and English.
2 hrs
Thanks, Phil, also for your peer comment!
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Valencian ball game

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Valencian pilota-Valencian ball

Pelota valenciana: La pelota valenciana (en valenciano "pilota valenciana") es un deporte tradicional, variante del juego de pelota, que puede practicarse en varias modalidades, en el que dos o más contrincantes forman dos equipos que compiten lanzando una pelota, golpeándola con la mano desnuda o con ligeras protecciones.

Valencian pilota: Valencian pilota (pilota valenciana /piˈlɔta valensiˈana/ "Valencian ball") is a traditional handball sport played in the Valencian Community.

Professional Valencia ball games in the Trinquet (Pelota court) Benissa, on Sunday afternoon.
*Enjoy sport competitions: golf championships in social and open categories, tournaments and international tennis circuits, "minijocs" (mini games) for the small ones, football competitions, mini-football, handball, Valencian ball (pilota valenciana), etc.

**At our university, you can practice up to 75 different sports, including athletics, sailing, rowing, aikido, scuba diving, tennis, swimming, basketball, fencing, indoor football, handball, rugby,mountaineering, taekwondo, volleyball, mountain climbing, cycling, Valencian pelota (traditional ball game) and many more.

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Note added at 6 hrs (2019-08-09 21:38:11 GMT)
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Valencian pilota / Valencian ball
Bilingual references:

References for “Valencian pilota” and “Valencian ball”:


https://www.linguee.com/english-spanish/search?query=pelota ...

References for “Valencian ball”:

https://glosbe.com/en/es/Valencian ball
Reference:

http://www.denia.net/

http://www.upv.es/perfiles/futuro-alumno/

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(Valencian-variety) 'Fives'

Literally like a glove, pelota and its variations are almost 'on all fours' with Fives, mainly played at schools in the South East of England (whilst players from other parts of the Brit. Isles - esp. North of the Border! - excelled or still excel at the sport) and with a glove worn or using a bat or racquet.

There are two main types: Eton (our school variety) and Rugby Fives.

We are too busy these days tucking into 'paella valenciana' but, anecdotally, I would just mention that a school friend of mine - who has, coincidentally, moved from the South of England to a rue du *jeu de paume* in the South of France - and I used to be very handy at Fives - that closely resembles a series of pelota ball games.

Alas, the Fives Courts at our old school have fallen into desuetude, but the echoes of school competitions up to half a century ago still reverberate around the - indoor and outdoor - walls.

PS see the other answers for pilota or pelota weblinks

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You are welcome. Coincidentally, Simon & Schuster (US-published SPA/ENG dictionary) cites five-a-aside 'baloncesto' - basketball as a translation for five(s). Otherwise, I have for - over half a century - decribed to Spanish speakers - and without any further enquiry or questions from them - our school game of Fives as 'pelota'.
Example sentence:

Fives is an English sport believed to derive from the same origins as many racquet sports. In fives, a ball is propelled against the walls of a 3- or 4-sided special court, using a gloved or bare hand as though it were a racquet, similar to hand-pelota.

The name of Fives may be derived from the slang expression "a bunch of fives" (meaning a fist).

Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fives

Note from asker:
That's interesting. I always thought "fives" meant 5-a-side rugby or footy. I stand corrected!
Peer comment(s):
neutral Charles Davis : One might more reasonably call Fives "English-variety pilota", since pilota is much older (well established by the sixteenth century; Eton Fives dates from 1877).
1 hr
Good one! I find it a bit surprising, though, that our colleagues, esp. from the South of England, haven't otherwise picked up on the parallels. The core-question is 'do we have an equivalent for it in English?' - & the answer must be an un/qualified yes!
neutral philgoddard : I don't know why you're always telling us what would be the closest equivalent in the UK - this is about Spain. (But we played fives at my school in Croydon.)
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Asker's question: 'do we have an equivalent for it in English?'. Yes. We do and our College used to play Fives competitive matches against Whitgift School in Croydon.
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