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Jul 22, 2015 01:02
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Haw
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I mean Haw out of Fox Haw or Brown Haw which are hill names in Lake District of UK.
Does it mean "hawthorn"? Perhaps the plant can be seen there.
Many thanks!
Does it mean "hawthorn"? Perhaps the plant can be seen there.
Many thanks!
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unlikely to come from hawthorn
1) Hawthorn is a hedgerow shrub/tree that you're unlikely to find on top of a hill or mountain in the Lake District, which tend to be rather windswept.
2) 'Haw' in this context is more likely to be a deformation of "Hawse" (the summit of a pass) or of "Hafs" (an Old Norse word) or of "Howe" (a pointed and rocky formation but not a mountain summit). The last one is the most likely in my opinion, but to be sure you'd probably need to contact the Lake District tourist board or a similar organisation.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/Misc...
http://www.mountain-journeys.co.uk/lakeland-place-names.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbrian_toponymy
2) 'Haw' in this context is more likely to be a deformation of "Hawse" (the summit of a pass) or of "Hafs" (an Old Norse word) or of "Howe" (a pointed and rocky formation but not a mountain summit). The last one is the most likely in my opinion, but to be sure you'd probably need to contact the Lake District tourist board or a similar organisation.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/Misc...
http://www.mountain-journeys.co.uk/lakeland-place-names.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbrian_toponymy
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Haw
The fruit, sometimes known as a "haw", is berry-like but structurally a pome containing from 1 to 5 pyrenes that resemble the "stones" of plums, peaches, etc., ...
I don't know if you need to interpret this in your Chinese rendering but if not, just leave it as "Haw"
I don't know if you need to interpret this in your Chinese rendering but if not, just leave it as "Haw"
Note from asker:
| Thank you! What I asked is whether Haw in Fox Haw or Brown Haw as hillname means Hawthorn. When place-names being translated into Chinese, transliteration for most of them is OK, but for some names with specific (interesting) means, it's better to translated as interpretation. |
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Yvonne Gallagher
: yes, "haw" is the red fruit of the hawthorn but I think CCS is right
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There are various meanings for "Haw" in place names, and they generally have nothing to do with hawthorns. It depends where in Britain the place is and what particular words in what languages the term derives from.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_HawSharp Haw - geograph.org.uk - 120015.jpg ... The word Haw comes from the Old English hawian, and means view. ... Milnthorpe, Cumbria: Cicerone Press.
https://archive.org/stream/placenamesoflanc00ekwauoft/placen...
"O.E. haga " enclosure ; homestead," O.N. hagi " enclosure " : Haigh De, Haw Booth Bl,
Hawcoat Lo ; Turnagh Sa, Crookhey, Locka, Stodday, Smeer Hall SLo. "
http://www.spns.org.uk/MayWilliamsonComplete.pdf
"HAWTHORN (Cad): Hayrtherne , 1455 Rot Scac ; Har - , 1468 RMS; Hair - , 1538 ib ; Haw - , 1563 PS; Harthorne , 1571 ib . The first element is OE h ā r , meaning “boundary”. A tree was a common boundary - mark in the OE land charters. In the 16th century the name became confused with hawthorn . Compare *Har(e)thorn , 13th century and 1446 (PN Ess, 591). Two other names in - thorn may contain OE þorn rather than þyrne: Jock’s Thorn (Jhn) and Chapman Thorn (Hlw) "
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halogen.le.ac.uk/kepn/kepn_elements/al (Primitive Welsh) Meaning unknown. alauno- (British) Meaning unknown. albus ...... Cumbre (Old English) The Cymry, the Welsh, the Cumbrian Britons. cumm ...... the daffodil. haw (Old English) Look-out from OE hawian 'to gaze on, survey'.
The following refs are obviously connected to the Wikipedia one:
www.worldebooklibrary.com/articles/Sharp_HawList of Marilyns in England Cumbria, South Lakeland, North Yorkshire, Allerdale, Cross ... The word Haw comes from the Old English hawian, and means view.
www.everytrail.com/browse.php?activity_id=5&country=england... District? Photo ... Sharp Haw - Curry on a Hill. by G6WTM on Jul 20, ... The word haw comes from the old English word hawian meaning view.
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Photo of Fox Haw: http://www.themountainguide.co.uk/england/fox-haw-photos.htm
You won't find many hawthorns or any vegetation much higher than grass there!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_HawSharp Haw - geograph.org.uk - 120015.jpg ... The word Haw comes from the Old English hawian, and means view. ... Milnthorpe, Cumbria: Cicerone Press.
https://archive.org/stream/placenamesoflanc00ekwauoft/placen...
"O.E. haga " enclosure ; homestead," O.N. hagi " enclosure " : Haigh De, Haw Booth Bl,
Hawcoat Lo ; Turnagh Sa, Crookhey, Locka, Stodday, Smeer Hall SLo. "
http://www.spns.org.uk/MayWilliamsonComplete.pdf
"HAWTHORN (Cad): Hayrtherne , 1455 Rot Scac ; Har - , 1468 RMS; Hair - , 1538 ib ; Haw - , 1563 PS; Harthorne , 1571 ib . The first element is OE h ā r , meaning “boundary”. A tree was a common boundary - mark in the OE land charters. In the 16th century the name became confused with hawthorn . Compare *Har(e)thorn , 13th century and 1446 (PN Ess, 591). Two other names in - thorn may contain OE þorn rather than þyrne: Jock’s Thorn (Jhn) and Chapman Thorn (Hlw) "
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Note added at 8 hrs (2015-07-22 09:23:30 GMT)
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halogen.le.ac.uk/kepn/kepn_elements/al (Primitive Welsh) Meaning unknown. alauno- (British) Meaning unknown. albus ...... Cumbre (Old English) The Cymry, the Welsh, the Cumbrian Britons. cumm ...... the daffodil. haw (Old English) Look-out from OE hawian 'to gaze on, survey'.
The following refs are obviously connected to the Wikipedia one:
www.worldebooklibrary.com/articles/Sharp_HawList of Marilyns in England Cumbria, South Lakeland, North Yorkshire, Allerdale, Cross ... The word Haw comes from the Old English hawian, and means view.
www.everytrail.com/browse.php?activity_id=5&country=england... District? Photo ... Sharp Haw - Curry on a Hill. by G6WTM on Jul 20, ... The word haw comes from the old English word hawian meaning view.
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Note added at 8 hrs (2015-07-22 09:26:57 GMT)
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Photo of Fox Haw: http://www.themountainguide.co.uk/england/fox-haw-photos.htm
You won't find many hawthorns or any vegetation much higher than grass there!
Note from asker:
| Yes I'm wrong. Thank you! Even a single common word is backed by so much knowledge! |
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