Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
юридические (за исключением адвокатских) услуги
English translation:
legal services (excluding attorney's fees)
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Tevah_Trans
Feb 5, 2008 16:22
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Russian term
юридические (за исключением адвокатских) услуги
Russian to English
Bus/Financial
Law (general)
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Proposed translations
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Feb 8, 2008 15:12: Tevah_Trans Created KOG entry
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legal services (excluding attorney's fees)
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KARIN ISBELL
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Thanks Karin!
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David Knowles
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Thanks David!
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Angela Greenfield
: I would put "defense attorney's fees" instead (see Deborah's notes)
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Thanks Angela! However, I believe the language of the paragraph quoted by the asker is most closely represented by this phrase without "defense". It is any attorney imho.
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Kate Pisman
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Thanks Kate!
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Iosif JUHASZ
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Thanks Iosif!
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Ravindra Godbole
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Thanks Ravindra!
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Tatiana N. (X)
: legal services excluding attorney's fees is ZERO services - legal services of any kind cannot be provided by anybody but an attorney
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Not true. See lengthy discussion above.
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Comment: "Thank you Tevah_Trans and everyone who answered and provided feedback. Thank you Nadezhda for your explanation. I decided to use "defense attorney fees", although I am not 100% sure. Thank you very much!"
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legal services (excluding barristers' fees)
could also be
legal services (excluding solicitors' fees)
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Note added at 59 mins (2008-02-05 17:22:13 GMT)
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Ah, thanks Galia, just seen your note.
This is really UK speak.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-02-05 18:49:47 GMT)
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@ Deborah
The generic term in the UK is lawyer which then splits into solicitor and barrister. The two used to be mutually exclusive where the barrister was the only person authorised to represent the client in certain courts and where the solicitor has more restricted access...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrister...my lawyer friends told me a while back that the system has undergone some changes.
but I wouldn't obratit' vnimanje na eto as your text relates to the US system which is quite different.
legal services (excluding solicitors' fees)
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Note added at 59 mins (2008-02-05 17:22:13 GMT)
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Ah, thanks Galia, just seen your note.
This is really UK speak.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-02-05 18:49:47 GMT)
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@ Deborah
The generic term in the UK is lawyer which then splits into solicitor and barrister. The two used to be mutually exclusive where the barrister was the only person authorised to represent the client in certain courts and where the solicitor has more restricted access...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrister...my lawyer friends told me a while back that the system has undergone some changes.
but I wouldn't obratit' vnimanje na eto as your text relates to the US system which is quite different.
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vot v chem delo (sm nizhe)
In Russia and the UK there are two main types of legal counselors: barrister/advokat and attorney/yurist. As far as I know an advokat is a yurist who can also defend criminal matters. The situation with a barrister is similar.
In the U.S. an attorney (the alternate term lawyer is mostly a matter of linguistic register and not of function) is an attorney. I'm a member of the bar and therefore can practice civil, criminal, whatever type of law; it is a question of specialization and experience rather than formal status.
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I would propose something like jurist services (except advokat fees) if your context is one in which the distinction is important.
Or if it is not so important to your client to be that precise (explaining the difference in legal system may help them decide) you could use "legal services (except attorney services)." It just sounds a little strange because they are one and the same in the US.
I'm not sure if the U.K. system is an exact matchup (Simon do you know?) to the Russian one and if so using the UK terms is also a possibility, again depending on what your client's goals are with this document.
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Sorry, solicitor/barrister.
In the U.S. an attorney (the alternate term lawyer is mostly a matter of linguistic register and not of function) is an attorney. I'm a member of the bar and therefore can practice civil, criminal, whatever type of law; it is a question of specialization and experience rather than formal status.
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Note added at 1 час (2008-02-05 17:40:34 GMT)
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I would propose something like jurist services (except advokat fees) if your context is one in which the distinction is important.
Or if it is not so important to your client to be that precise (explaining the difference in legal system may help them decide) you could use "legal services (except attorney services)." It just sounds a little strange because they are one and the same in the US.
I'm not sure if the U.K. system is an exact matchup (Simon do you know?) to the Russian one and if so using the UK terms is also a possibility, again depending on what your client's goals are with this document.
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Note added at 10 час (2008-02-06 02:49:28 GMT)
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Sorry, solicitor/barrister.
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Angela Greenfield
: Deborah, I would use "defense attorney fees" since it's more closely renders the meaning in Russian.
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cheeter
: во-первых, в Англии barristers and solicitors, а не attorneys. Во-вторых, в РФ в уголовном деле защитником может выступать кто угодно, не обязательно член адвокатской коллегии и даже не юрист по специальности.
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My answer comes from an article by Salans, a large firm in Moscow. If something has changed since 2005 please enlighten us. http://whichlawyer.practicallaw.com/4-201-5875
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legal advisory (except for legal representation) services
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legal services excluding litigation expenses
Costs of legal services are by the hour at one rate, cost for litigation is sometimes by the hour, and sometimes on a contingency (percentage of award) basis, and at a totally different rate, therefore, cost of litigation is always counted separately.
Moreover, many lawyers agree to offer legal advice, but not to go to court and try the case for the client, trial lawyers are a separate flock of lawyers, so for litigation a separate counsel is usually hired, at a different rate.
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особенно учитывая замечание cheeter, что в России в уголовном деле защитником может не-юрист. Но здесь может иметься в виду любой судебный процесс, не обязательно уголовный...
Moreover, many lawyers agree to offer legal advice, but not to go to court and try the case for the client, trial lawyers are a separate flock of lawyers, so for litigation a separate counsel is usually hired, at a different rate.
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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2008-02-06 19:02:48 GMT)
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особенно учитывая замечание cheeter, что в России в уголовном деле защитником может не-юрист. Но здесь может иметься в виду любой судебный процесс, не обязательно уголовный...
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...доходы, получаемые от управленческих, финансовых (за исключением услуг по страхованию и (или) перестрахованию рисков), консультационных, аудиторских, маркетинговых, юридических (за исключением адвокатских) услуг, услуг по сопровождению и поддержке программных продуктов, оказываемых резидентам, независимо от места фактического оказания услуг