Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
заумь
English translation:
transrational style
Added to glossary by
Sophia Hundt (X)
Nov 16, 2006 22:11
17 yrs ago
Russian term
заумный
Russian to English
Art/Literary
Philosophy
слово
"Заумный язык футуристов." Can't think of nothing.
Спасибо заранее!
Спасибо заранее!
Proposed translations
(English)
3 | transcedental style | Valery Kaminski |
4 | abstruse | GaryG |
4 | recondite | koundelev |
4 | bird language | Irene N |
4 | highfalutin language | Andrew Vdovin |
3 | crabbed | Smantha |
3 | mind-bending | Roman Bardachev |
3 | pretentious language | Alexander Demyanov |
3 | nerdy, stuffy | Tatiana Nero (X) |
2 | unintelligible language | lafresita (X) |
Proposed translations
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transcedental style
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transcendental, of course
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or, a better one "transrational language"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaum
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Заумь is kind of special term with futurists. It is not exactly incomprehensible or unintelligible or unfamiliar. It is a special style.
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transcendental, of course
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or, a better one "transrational language"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaum
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Заумь is kind of special term with futurists. It is not exactly incomprehensible or unintelligible or unfamiliar. It is a special style.
Note from asker:
Transrational sounds kinda cool! |
Then I can say "transrational" and juxtapose is to "pre-rational," which I am supposed to do. Короче говоря, противопоставить "заумный" и "доумный" (Это о. Сергии Булгаков так выразился, а я давай переводи!) |
"pre-rational" подходит хорошо, так как потом за ним следует Люсьен Леви Бруль и его теория о "pre-logical" in ancient cultures. So I think "transrational" might actually work. See what my editor has to say. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you, Valery, what a nice job! Seems like this term is technically correct in the context of zaum as futurist style. (Transrational I mean). Fits my context perfectly, too."
4 mins
abstruse
Callaham's gives this as an option. I can see why you avoided
synonyms of "nonsense". Like postmodernism, it means something
to these people (if only something different to each one!)
synonyms of "nonsense". Like postmodernism, it means something
to these people (if only something different to each one!)
6 mins
crabbed
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And in the middle of the room stood table, on which, besides printed volumes, were strewn manuscript sermons, historical tracts, and political pamphlets, all written in such a queer, blind, **crabbed, fantastical hand, that a writing-master would have gone raving mad at the sight of them.
Grandfather's Chair by Hawthorne, Nathaniel
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And in the middle of the room stood table, on which, besides printed volumes, were strewn manuscript sermons, historical tracts, and political pamphlets, all written in such a queer, blind, **crabbed, fantastical hand, that a writing-master would have gone raving mad at the sight of them.
Grandfather's Chair by Hawthorne, Nathaniel
6 mins
unintelligible language
Language that is unintelligible or unfamiliar.
There have also been accounts of twins who spoke an unintelligible language only their sibling understood.
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And I was thinking about goobledygook before answering this question
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There have also been accounts of twins who spoke an unintelligible language only their sibling understood.
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And I was thinking about goobledygook before answering this question
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Reference:
12 mins
mind-bending
just an option
31 mins
pretentious language
This is not exactly "заумный" but close. I'd use that if in need of a one-word qualifier.
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Scratch "pretentious".
How about "intricate"? This is much closer and to my eye carries the right overtones.
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Scratch "pretentious".
How about "intricate"? This is much closer and to my eye carries the right overtones.
2 hrs
nerdy, stuffy
Последний вариант только что слышала в отношении одного профессора, который чересчур философствовал при объяснении различных теорий...
2 hrs
recondite
recondite language
The prime issue surrounding recondite language is not whether one can find every word in the Oxford English Dictionary, but whether such a language ...
links.jstor.org/ sici?sici=0362-6784(198823)18%3A3%3C313%3ANLBRDV%3E2.0.CO%3B2-L - Похожие страницы
The prime issue surrounding recondite language is not whether one can find every word in the Oxford English Dictionary, but whether such a language ...
links.jstor.org/ sici?sici=0362-6784(198823)18%3A3%3C313%3ANLBRDV%3E2.0.CO%3B2-L - Похожие страницы
4 hrs
bird language
Помимо прямого значения, описанного ниже, применяется и фигурально. Во всяком случае, наши насовцы нередко так называют свой профессиональный жаргон или документы, где штук 8 аббревиатур, соединенных парой предлогов, составляют законченное предложение.
http://www.philipcoppens.com/birdlanguage.html
Tweet tweet: the language of birds
The “bird language” or “Green language” is an intriguing system of codes, practiced by some traditions. But what lies at its origins – and could its origin actually not be a language, but what many termed the original method of communication?
The “language of birds” has many names; some call it the “Language of the Gods”, others the “Green language”. Michael Sells has referred to this “sacred language” as the “language of unsaying”, whereby the core of what needs to be said, is actually not said, though everyone understands what is being said.
The “language of birds” is therefore the mystical language, by default an unpopular subject amongst scholars, specifically because of the apparent lack of “clarity”: a clear and distinct sense.
http://www.philipcoppens.com/birdlanguage.html
Tweet tweet: the language of birds
The “bird language” or “Green language” is an intriguing system of codes, practiced by some traditions. But what lies at its origins – and could its origin actually not be a language, but what many termed the original method of communication?
The “language of birds” has many names; some call it the “Language of the Gods”, others the “Green language”. Michael Sells has referred to this “sacred language” as the “language of unsaying”, whereby the core of what needs to be said, is actually not said, though everyone understands what is being said.
The “language of birds” is therefore the mystical language, by default an unpopular subject amongst scholars, specifically because of the apparent lack of “clarity”: a clear and distinct sense.
6 hrs
highfalutin language
This is that highfalutin language that turns off a lot of readers to reading a great deal of poetry written before the twentieth century. ...
articles.poetryx.com/45/
Ссылок в Сети очень много.
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Why not just "futuristic language"?
Or adding something, like "fanciful futuristic language"...
... but three songs are writen in an invented language called Loxian , described by Enya and Roma Ryan as " a futuristic language from a distant planet . ...
www.search.com/reference/Enya
articles.poetryx.com/45/
Ссылок в Сети очень много.
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Why not just "futuristic language"?
Or adding something, like "fanciful futuristic language"...
... but three songs are writen in an invented language called Loxian , described by Enya and Roma Ryan as " a futuristic language from a distant planet . ...
www.search.com/reference/Enya
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