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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

Le mouvement altermondialiste

English translation:

the alter-globalization movement

Added to glossary by swanda
Nov 21, 2008 19:36
15 yrs ago
French term

Le mouvement altermondialiste

French to English Social Sciences Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
Tout simplement... enfin, si je puis dire. Je ne trouve pas la traduction dans mon dictionnaire !
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 the alter-globalization movement
5 +2 the anti-globalization movement
3 +2 counter globalisation movement
4 the alter-globalist movement
References
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_engl...
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Dec 6, 2008 00:36: swanda Created KOG entry

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Non-PRO (1): writeaway

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Discussion

Philippa Smith Nov 24, 2008:
alternative globalization It clearly is important to avoid the "anti" when referring to this movement.
I work and translate for "altermondialistes", and we opted for "alternative globalization movement" as our standard translation.
Stephen Chalk Nov 22, 2008:
"anti-globalisation" in British press Despite the existence of separate Wikipedia articles on "anti-globalization" and "alter-globalization" it is doubtful that the two terms really refer to two different movements: the phenomenon certainly covers groups with different political orientations but there is no centralized organization of "antis" as opposed to "alters". Equally their ideological differences are confused and difficult to disentangle (other than the difference of word anti/alter).

In the British press by far the most common spelling is anti-globalisation (with an S rather than Z). On The Telegraph website anti-globalisation gets 296 hits and alter-globalisation none. On the Guardian website anti-globalisation gets 1054 hits and alter-globalisation 4.
Stephen Chalk Nov 21, 2008:
Against / differently It's very interesting to note the differences in ghits Bourth has found. It's a good point that anti- seems more common in English and alter- in French. The French term does however have almost 3 times more hits than the English term, and the origins of the movement were in large part French.

I'm not aware that there are 2 different movements (although the English Wikipedia article does seem to suggest this). The difference was in the idea that ALTER (globalizing DIFFERENTLY) was thought to be a more positive political project than ANTI (AGAINST globalization).

It seems clear that the translator should make an informed choice between the terms anti- or alter- for English use, their appropriateness depending on the type of text...
Bourth (X) Nov 21, 2008:
Or both Of course if your text refers to the two movements, antimondialisation AND altermondialisation then you have to use both. But I remain to be convinced the French care about any subtle differences: for them, they are right, and only altermondialisation counts. The "generic" term in English is "anti-".
Bourth (X) Nov 21, 2008:
alter / anti If this refers specifically to the French context, then "alterglobalization" by all means (but why not"altermondialisation" in that case?). Otherwise "Antiglobalization".
altermondialiste - 218,000 ghits
but only
antimondialiste - 6,970 ghits

antiglobalist - 79,000 ghits
but only
alterglobalist - 5,590 ghits

Proposed translations

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44 mins
Selected

the alter-globalization movement

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www.blogg.org/blog-44839-billet-the_mrap_and_alter_globaliz...’_university_–_toulouse__augu...
www.conflits.org/index13323.html
www.allacademic.com/meta/p254667_index.html
128000 occurences on Google
dspace.stir.ac.uk/dspace/handle/1893/186 -
www.ingentaconnect.com/content/berghahn/sartre/2005/0000001... -
www.musicbabylon.com/context-terms/alter-globalization-move... -
rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/2008/10/more-on-alter-globalization.html -
Peer comment(s):
agree Stephen Chalk : "Alter-globalization" is the term officially used by Attac in its English translations from French texts. http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:nvilMwjX64EJ:www.france...
1 hr
thanks Stephen
agree Helen Shiner : following Stephen's argument, this also has its justification, though I wish we could come up with something less ugly to the eye/ear - counter-globalisation (presenting a counter argument?). Just wishing.
1 hr
thanks Helen
agree looby : Also the term used by the European Social Forum.
11 hrs
thanks!
agree B D Finch : Though "alternative globalisation movement" sounds better in English. Just because Attac's translators use "alter-" doesn't make it right; the ESF carries more weight and the term does seem to have made it into general use.
12 hrs
thanks B D Finch
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4 mins

the alter-globalist movement

Following the French usage of the word altermondialist, the English counterpart alter-globalist may be coined. The term alter-globalization is derived from ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alter-globalization - 32k

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This paper clarifies the terms of the debate within the contemporary alter- globalist movement between reformist NGOs vs. autonomist Marxists and new ...
convention2.allacademic.com/meta/p251992_index.html?PHPSESSID=d7c561c45fba6d3e6feb0954fb9929c6 - 39k
Peer comment(s):
neutral Stephen Chalk : "alter-globalist" refers to the ideology rather than the movement. Here's the ref: http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:nvilMwjX64EJ:www.france...
3 hrs
Check the ref
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+2
10 mins

the anti-globalization movement

my option
Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-globalization

Peer comment(s):
agree Bourth (X) : http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/other/574391-alt... - And for a recap on globalization :http://www6.open.ac.uk/h805/resources/Globalization.pdf
1 hr
neutral Helen Shiner : Apologies, for consistency's sake, I should now alter my agree to neutral. I agree with BD Finch that is means something different.
2 hrs
neutral B D Finch : Problem: it means something different.
13 hrs
agree Stephen Chalk : Clearly the two prefixes ANTI- and ALTER- are used by different people to talk about the same movement.
1 day 33 mins
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+2
2 hrs

counter globalisation movement

Looks like it does exist. After agreeing with almost everyone else, I now propose this variant.

http://www.acs-aec.org/About/SG/Girvan/Speeches/G15.htm

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Amongst these is the ‘counter-globalisation’ movement (CGM). A heterogenous movement, it represents a qualitatively different form of globalisation and logic that brings it into conflict with pathological modernity. Using participatory research I investigate this movement grounding it within Hardt and Negri’s (2004) ‘multitude’. Extending Hardt and Negri’s descriptions, I propose that the multitude ‘works in common’ to establish new commons in both the physical and cultural spheres. Concentrating on the ‘cultural commons’ I argue that these represent a new form of biopolitics and promote abundance where scarcity once existed. The four cultural commons identified are hope, trust, safety and intellect. Based on the work of Marcel Mauss, I argue that the reciprocal, free and open exchange and sharing of these cultural commons creates ‘authentic’ communities based on openness, alterity and abundance. While the CGM works to establish new commons, pathological modernity encloses and commodifies them, turning hope into material aspirations; trust into anxiety; safety into security; and intellect into intellectual property.

http://unsworks.unsw.edu.au/vital/access/manager/Repository/...

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Sorry, I don't believe in Ghits, just sound reasoning....
Peer comment(s):
agree Melzie
34 mins
Thank you, Melzie
neutral Stephen Chalk : Hi Helen, this does have some justification but COUNTER is almost synonymous with ANTI. Plus it only seems to be used in academic circles: only 848 ghits. I think ghits must give some indication of level of presence on web?
55 mins
Almost but not quite synonymous - cf counter culture is not anti-culture. Maybe the academic application is appropriate here? Ghits are so unreliable, so I wouldn't put much store by that myself./See sueaberwoman's comments
agree sueaberwoman : Just as good as the others, more positive than anti, and IMO sounds much better, too! (And FYI, with a z, "counter-globalization" gets over 5000 ghits; for some reason google doesn't seem to have link the two spellings.)
10 hrs
Aha! Thanks, sueaberwoman.
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Reference comments

6 mins
Reference:

Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Bourth (X) : Not fair: you found more than me!
2 hrs
:-)
agree B D Finch : Linguistically awful, but seems to fill a gap. Of course Wikipedia spoils things by ending with the very un-English sounding "not necessarily a **repugnance with** the free market".
13 hrs
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