Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Dr. X protokolliert ein Experiment
English translation:
Dr. X is making a record of an experiment
Added to glossary by
Gabrielle Lyons
Aug 9, 2008 17:41
15 yrs ago
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German term
Works in: English
Dr. X protokolliert ein Experiment
German to English
Science
Physics
I need the idiomatic English verb for "taking down an experimental protocol"; i.e. the scientific routine of recording, taking down the course of an experiment.. The full German context runs:
"Wir glauben nur, daß Kafka Experimente protokolliert, daß er nur Erfahrungen berichtet, ohne sie zu deuten" etc. [a metaphor for a sober, descriptive stlye).
"Wir glauben nur, daß Kafka Experimente protokolliert, daß er nur Erfahrungen berichtet, ohne sie zu deuten" etc. [a metaphor for a sober, descriptive stlye).
Proposed translations
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| 4 | Dr. X is making a record of an experiment |
Gabrielle Lyons
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| 4 | protocolled (UK) protocoled (USA) |
Jon Fedler
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| 4 | Dr X records an experimental protocol |
Lirka
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| 3 | Dr. X wrote up an experiment |
Helen Shiner
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Change log
Aug 15, 2008 10:04: Gabrielle Lyons Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Gabrielle Lyons
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Works in: French to English, German to English
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Dr. X is making a record of an experiment
'That K is making records of experiments: simply reporting experiences without interpreting them.'
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Sorry - wrong reference! This is the right one.
www.geocities.com/homeschooldesk/sciencexp.doc
The problem is that the normal term would be "report", but I don't think that works here because a report can also be a less detached account, more like a story. "Record" suggests a purely mechanical, non-subjective process (and allows you to use "report" for the next clause).
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Sorry - wrong reference! This is the right one.
www.geocities.com/homeschooldesk/sciencexp.doc
The problem is that the normal term would be "report", but I don't think that works here because a report can also be a less detached account, more like a story. "Record" suggests a purely mechanical, non-subjective process (and allows you to use "report" for the next clause).
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Comment: "thanks for this, I guess it comes closest to what I need and confirms my preference. In fact, it is the differential of ALL responses that is helpful here."
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Jon Fedler
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Strong Law + Business+Tech Background
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, Hebrew to English
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protocolled (UK) protocoled (USA)
What's wrong with just protocoled.?
i.e.To make a protocol of. (Websters Revised Unabridged Dictionary)
i.e.To make a protocol of. (Websters Revised Unabridged Dictionary)
Example sentence:
eeping was protocoled in 8 patients, all patients could be waked up after ... In 2 patients focal seizures were protocoled, in 3 patients we observed ...
Note from asker:
| many thanks, Jonathan! I have a bit of a debate with my co-author (a US native speaker) who maintains 'to protocol' is not much used in US English. So your quotes are in fact reassuring! |
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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Dr. X wrote up an experiment
Maybe not metaphorical enough for your needs, but I believe this is what is used:
http://loj.loswego.k12.or.us/godfreyj/Lab write ups.htm
Just a couple of quick suggestions, Jens, from a nominal psychologist :
1) perhaps compare writing up qual research with writing up a survey (some psychs might have left the lab and actually done the odd survey) rather than with the more traditional psych mode of writing up an experiment.
2) work on the idea that the traditional reporting format is ideally suited to 'telling the story' of an experiment (problem statement, explore what's known, draw on theory, refine problem to Hos, design and run experiment, get results, conclude and discuss) - so they need to figure what is the 'story' they're wanting to tell here, and work out the logical flow from start to conclusion, with supporting evidence along the way.
http://forums.qsrinternational.com/index.php?showtopic=451
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or rather 'writes up', though the sense of your text is past tense.
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Note added at 23 hrs (2008-08-10 16:48:23 GMT)
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With reference to the actual sentence to be translated, why not just say, ... Kafka recorded experiments ...
http://loj.loswego.k12.or.us/godfreyj/Lab write ups.htm
Just a couple of quick suggestions, Jens, from a nominal psychologist :
1) perhaps compare writing up qual research with writing up a survey (some psychs might have left the lab and actually done the odd survey) rather than with the more traditional psych mode of writing up an experiment.
2) work on the idea that the traditional reporting format is ideally suited to 'telling the story' of an experiment (problem statement, explore what's known, draw on theory, refine problem to Hos, design and run experiment, get results, conclude and discuss) - so they need to figure what is the 'story' they're wanting to tell here, and work out the logical flow from start to conclusion, with supporting evidence along the way.
http://forums.qsrinternational.com/index.php?showtopic=451
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Note added at 10 mins (2008-08-09 17:51:35 GMT)
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or rather 'writes up', though the sense of your text is past tense.
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Note added at 23 hrs (2008-08-10 16:48:23 GMT)
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With reference to the actual sentence to be translated, why not just say, ... Kafka recorded experiments ...
Peer comment(s):
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Gabrielle Lyons
: I agree this is the phrase frequently used, but I think the context needs something less casual and that emphasises the supposed objectivity of the process
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I don't consider this casual, just the terminology used, though as I said maybe not metaphorical enough.
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Dr X records an experimental protocol
my take on it
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