Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
niedergeredet
English translation:
talked down to/ reduced to silence
Added to glossary by
Kim Metzger
Sep 8, 2001 09:32
22 yrs ago
German term
niedergeredet
German to English
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
Sie haben auch nicht mehr den Eindruck, in kleineren Runden von Maennern niedergeredet zu werden.
And it's really appreciated, if anyone can help translate the whole sentence. Thanks
And it's really appreciated, if anyone can help translate the whole sentence. Thanks
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And they also no longer have the impression ..
that they are being talked down to when they are among smaller groups of men.
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Comment: "I try seeking the meaning of 'niederreden'. yet now there is some confusing meaning. I think Kim is correct, at least for his comment on' talk down to' and wtalk sbdy down' (See below.) With the meaning 'talk down to', the text seems to be right. Thanks everyone for your opinion.
From Longman
talk down to = to speak to as if one is more important, more clever, etc.
talk sbdy down = to persuade to be more calm."
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talked down
They also no longer had the feeling that they were being talked down by men in smaller groups.
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talked down
Guess the tense was wrong above:
They also no longer have the impression that they are being talked down to by men in smaller groups.
They also no longer have the impression that they are being talked down to by men in smaller groups.
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talked down
In smaller groups, they do not feel, like they did before, talked down by men.
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jdn niederreden = to talk s.o. down
Niederreden = to belittle someone
To talk someone down = to address someone as though he/she were a social or intellectual inferior.
Example: "Credit the child with some intelligence, try to avoid talking down."
Or:
"Whatever their technical knowledge may be, adult students have a good deal of practical experience: they greatly resent being talked down to." (Variation: to be talked down to.)
Source: Oxford Dictionary of current idiomatic English, Phrasal verbs.
I hope this helps.
Cheers !
To talk someone down = to address someone as though he/she were a social or intellectual inferior.
Example: "Credit the child with some intelligence, try to avoid talking down."
Or:
"Whatever their technical knowledge may be, adult students have a good deal of practical experience: they greatly resent being talked down to." (Variation: to be talked down to.)
Source: Oxford Dictionary of current idiomatic English, Phrasal verbs.
I hope this helps.
Cheers !
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Maya Jurt
: That covers a lot!
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agree |
Ulrike Lieder (X)
: Definitely!
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Kim Metzger
: Not belittle someone, to overwhelm. Über den Haufen reden.
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belittle=herabsetzen (idea of inferiority) talk down=idea of inferiority(see explanation given above)
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13 hrs
did'nt get a word in edgewise
That's a saying in the USA, when someone just keeps an prattling away.
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And in small goups it doesn't feel any more as if the men were talking over their heads.
Just a suggestion. I don't know if the English sentence is correct, it might need some attention.
But "talking over their heads" evokes in me the image of a child standing there while the adults talk above it, not including it - that's very similar to how I would see "niederreden", i.e. the women didn't have a voice because the men were on about their "more important" things all the time.
But "talking over their heads" evokes in me the image of a child standing there while the adults talk above it, not including it - that's very similar to how I would see "niederreden", i.e. the women didn't have a voice because the men were on about their "more important" things all the time.
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1 day 36 mins
to talk someone down
In Canada, as well as in England, at least according to my Oxford Phrasal Verb Dictionary, "to talk down" means "to take on superior airs".
I can only go by what my dictionaries say, although I am not saying that Kim is wrong, he has his own sources. Besides, what makes this case difficult is the fact that there exists no official explanation of "niederreden" in any German dictionary.
Here are three excerpts to substantiate what I had earlier suggested--which should lift the confusion, if any:
1) talk down (to) [note that the "to" is in parentheses, hence optional]:
(informal) to address sb as though he were a social or intellectual inferior
Example: Credit the child with some intelligence; try to avoid talking down.
[Source: Oxford Dict. of current Idiomatic English, Phrasal Verbs]
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to talk down: to speak to someone in a superior manner
[Source: The Penguin Canadian Dictionary]
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to talk down: to speak condescendingly, to belittle, to disparage.
"He talks down his competitor's products".
[Source: Gage Canadian Dictionary, Gage Educational Publishing Company]
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Conclusion: To talk down definitely means "to belittle, to speak condescendingly". However, I do not doubt that it has a second meaning, as in "to silence", as explained by Kim. The English I speak is Canadian English, which is closer to British English, in many instances in spelling and meaning. Furthermore, as long as we don't really know what "niederreden" means, there is a strong possibility that it might mean either to belittle or to silence.
How's that for a linguisitic lesson !
I can only go by what my dictionaries say, although I am not saying that Kim is wrong, he has his own sources. Besides, what makes this case difficult is the fact that there exists no official explanation of "niederreden" in any German dictionary.
Here are three excerpts to substantiate what I had earlier suggested--which should lift the confusion, if any:
1) talk down (to) [note that the "to" is in parentheses, hence optional]:
(informal) to address sb as though he were a social or intellectual inferior
Example: Credit the child with some intelligence; try to avoid talking down.
[Source: Oxford Dict. of current Idiomatic English, Phrasal Verbs]
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to talk down: to speak to someone in a superior manner
[Source: The Penguin Canadian Dictionary]
***
to talk down: to speak condescendingly, to belittle, to disparage.
"He talks down his competitor's products".
[Source: Gage Canadian Dictionary, Gage Educational Publishing Company]
***
Conclusion: To talk down definitely means "to belittle, to speak condescendingly". However, I do not doubt that it has a second meaning, as in "to silence", as explained by Kim. The English I speak is Canadian English, which is closer to British English, in many instances in spelling and meaning. Furthermore, as long as we don't really know what "niederreden" means, there is a strong possibility that it might mean either to belittle or to silence.
How's that for a linguisitic lesson !
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1 day 2 hrs
to talk down = Webster's
Hello !
Has anyone taken the pains of looking into the Webster's?
To talk down = to belittle. No mention of "to silence" nor the second preposition "to".
En fait, cela dépend du contexte. In some cases, to silence may apply
In other dictionaries, to talk down to is actually listed as to talk in a condescending manner (Cobuilt).
So, make of it what you like ! But check out the Webster's, si vous voulez bien.
Has anyone taken the pains of looking into the Webster's?
To talk down = to belittle. No mention of "to silence" nor the second preposition "to".
En fait, cela dépend du contexte. In some cases, to silence may apply
In other dictionaries, to talk down to is actually listed as to talk in a condescending manner (Cobuilt).
So, make of it what you like ! But check out the Webster's, si vous voulez bien.
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2 days 7 hrs
more on "talking down"
I just heard one of the hosts of Crossfire (CNN), Mr. Tucker say "[...] is accused of talking down the economy"
A live example of "to talk down" without "to". The context reveals that the meaning "to silence" really does not apply.
Best regards,
Connie
A live example of "to talk down" without "to". The context reveals that the meaning "to silence" really does not apply.
Best regards,
Connie
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