Glossary entry

Deutsch term or phrase:

großstädtisches Aufsteigermilieu

Englisch translation:

upwardly mobile urban neighbo(u)rhood

Added to glossary by Marcus Malabad
Dec 15, 2006 11:19
17 yrs ago
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Deutsch term

großstädtisches Aufsteigermilieu

Deutsch > Englisch Wirtschaft/Finanzwesen Immobilien/Grundstücke Property valuation report / micro-market information
The term occurs in a property valuation report, more precisely in a table with information about the microsite/-market (i.e. the immediate surroundings of the subject property), together with the following other terms (terms followed by a colon are the individual categories used):

Mikromarkt-Klassifikation

Klassifikation: Wohngebiet
Milieu: ***Großstädtisches Aufsteigermilieu***
Firmendominanz: nicht anwendbar
Dominante Lebensphase ersten und zweiten Ranges:
Dominante Lebensphase 18 bis unter 25 Jahre
Dominante Lebensphase 25 bis unter 35 Jahre
Zentralität: Oberzentrum
Siedlungsstruktur: Verstädterter Raum

I am just wondering whether the "Aufsteigermilieu" relates more to the neighbourhood (and should be translated as such), or rather to the subgroup of the population residing there. I am pretty sure that I'll translate "großstädtisch" as "urban" as the city in question is not really of "metropolitan" magnitude (130,000 inhabitants).

Any enlightenment from real estate experts welcome. MTIA.

Proposed translations

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urban, upwardly mobile neighbourhood

In the context
Note from asker:
Thanks very much. I'd turn the term round and say "upwardly mobile urban neighbourhood".
Peer comment(s):

agree alec_in_France : that would work
7 Min.
Thanks!
agree Norbert Hermann
13 Min.
Thank you!
agree monbuckland : could be either neighbourhood itself or the people in it
13 Min.
True! But then a 'neighbourhood' would include the people, or no?
agree BrigitteHilgner : I am not a real estate expert but this sounds good to me.
56 Min.
I too am not ;-) Thanks!
agree sylvie malich (X) : yes, yes, yes!
59 Min.
Thanks, thanks, thanks!
agree DC Josephs
1 Stunde
Thanks!
agree Julia Lipeles
2 Stunden
Danke sehr!
agree archtrans : upwardly mobile city district would sound all right too, given its centrality, as mentioned in the text
3 Stunden
True
agree raptisi
5 Stunden
Thank you!
agree KARIN ISBELL
8 Stunden
Thanks
agree Mihaela Boteva
9 Stunden
Thank you
agree DDM
18 Stunden
Thanks so much!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you very much. As written in my previous comment, I used "upwardly mobile urban neighbourhood". Many thanks to all other contributors, too."
19 Min.

up and coming neighborhood

bezieht sich auf yuppifizierte Stadtviertel.
Peer comment(s):

neutral alec_in_France : OK but a bit journalistic for a valuation report (call me old-fashioned if you want!)
2 Min.
neutral archtrans : I love "yuppifizierte"!!
2 Stunden
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19 Min.

gentrified city district

Another idea. It certainly relates to the quality of the area and not (directly) its inhabitants.

"in a process of gentrification" might be more apt if the "aufsteigen" is still going on
Note from asker:
Thank you - the idea of "gentrification" is very helpful here. From my context, I conclude that the neighbourhood is still in the process of gentrification.
Peer comment(s):

neutral sylvie malich (X) : the only problem with this is that "gentrification" has become a rather negative term. Depends on the target audience perhaps.
54 Min.
fair comment
neutral Richard Benham : I think I agree with Sylvie. I think "gentrification" has overtones of being staid and boring, where in this context you need something suggesting vibrance and dynamism.
1 Stunde
not sure about the boring - it's certainly not popular with a section of the poLiticaL spectrum though...
neutral archtrans : It's also a reminder that a group of residents very probably lost their foothold in the neighborhood due to gentrification , not something the realtor wants to bring up
2 Stunden
Although this is a valuation report, which should be factual: and neutral
agree Richard Hall : I think suggestion is more a neutral description suitable for a valuation report.
4 Stunden
Thanks Richard
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1 Stunde

s.u.


Zur Hilfestellung schau dir mal die zwei Links an. Ist allerdings eine Übersetzung vom D ins E, daher wahrscheinlich mit Vorsicht zu genießen. Aber man erkennt zumindest, dass der Begriff sich auf den Menschen an sich und nicht die Umgebungsstruktur bezieht (insofern die Thematik zu deinem Text passt)

Im Dokument wird diese Gruppe "advance-oriented urban milieu" genannt. Ich denke, mit "urban milieu" lässt sich schon mal arbeiten. Vielleicht lässt sich was mit "social advancement" finden. Hier wären wieder die Muttersprachler gefragt :-)

Note from asker:
"milieu" wollte ich im Englischen extra vermeiden, da mir das sehr nach einem "false friend" aussieht.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Richard Benham : "Milieu" doesn't really do it for me.
35 Min.
agree archtrans : advance-oriented does not work that well either, hard to figure out the meaning
1 Stunde
neutral alec_in_France : moi non plus!
5 Stunden
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8 Stunden

yuppie crowd

wäre wohlmöglich etwas zu leger ausgedrückt, geht aber wahrscheinlich durch ,denn ich finde es ziemlich eindeutig, dass - als Antwort auf Deine Überlegung worauf die Betonung liegt- es sich um die Beschreibung der Subkultur der Gruppe der Menschen handelt, und nicht um die physisch/ geographische
Note from asker:
Nein, das ist für das hier vorliegende "hochseriöse" Wertgutachten eindeutig zu leger.
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