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Jun 5, 2008 15:38
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Spanish term

cañada real

Spanish to English Science Environment & Ecology
¿Alguna idea para la traducción de "Cañada Real"?

"Al final de la carretera nos encontramos con el Mirador Mojón de la Víbora, sobre la ***Cañada Real*** del Puerto de la Víbora, vía pecuaria que se dirige a Ubrique, que nos ofrece una amplia panorámica de la Sierra de Grazalema".

Gracias de antemano
Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 royal droving right of way
4 +2 royal drove road
5 royal ravine / gulch (explicado abajo)
5 Cañada Real [Don't translate it]
4 cattle trail (track?)
4 drove-road
4 the Royal Hollow
3 +1 Royal herding tracks/roads

Discussion

Enrique Espinosa Jun 5, 2008:
Yo también. Y apoyo a Sandra que sugiere dejarlo tal cual.
Carlos Segura Jun 5, 2008:
Coincido con Juan Jacob.
Juan Jacob Jun 5, 2008:
Tratándose de un nombre propio [de acuerdo, hay muchas Cañadas Reales o Caminos Reales], me pregunto si cabe traducirlo. "Real", en ambos casos, además, significa que se construyó a expensas del Estado. Poner "Royal" podría quizá confundir. Digo.

Proposed translations

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7 mins
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royal droving right of way

Droving: moving livestock between seasonal pasturage areas.

Don't know of any shorter way to say it. Rights of way crisscross the UK for a variety of different "passers-through": for access or for recreation. This would fall into the first category but I've never come across a specific term.

HTH
Peer comment(s):
agree Sandra Holt : I like Noni's option as it covers all livestock and "right of way" sounds great.
3 mins
Thanks Sandra
agree Carol Gullidge : or "livestock migration route" (lots of g-hits!) but that doesn't make it any shorter. But if it is a proper name (upper case inits) then of course it shouldn't be translated at all! The context gives both upper and lower case, so we don't know...
1 hr
Yes, I'm inclined to recommend leaving it as it is! Mine is definitely too wordy, except possibly as explanation.
agree Edward Tully
5 days
Thanks Edward
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8 mins

cattle trail (track?)

Er... don't really know what to put here...
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12 mins

drove-road

From the OED:
Drove: a herd or flock being driven or moving together.
Drove-road: an ancient cattle track.

I would perhaps say: ... Cañada Real del Puerto de la Víbora, a drove-road that leads to...
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17 mins

the Royal Hollow

Creo que el texto se refiere a un sitio geográfico cuyo nombre propio es "cañada real" por lo tanto yo lo dejaría en su idioma original. De todas formas te envío la traducción del nombre por si lo considerás necesario.
Example sentence:

The Royal Hollow is a beautifull spot

Peer comment(s):
neutral Noni Gilbert Riley : Cañada is not a geographical feature but a legal right of way...//La rectificación de Juan Jacob es correcta, yo me equivoqué
14 mins
that option makes no sence in the sentence
neutral Juan Jacob : Cañada, a secas, es efectivamente un lugar [un pequeño valle, pues], pero Cañada Real tiene el sentido que plantea aceavila.
1 hr
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12 mins

royal drove road

I've always translated 'cañada' as drove road.

HTH


Sheila


ACUAREX: Inauguration of the Royal Drove Road Photo Exhibition
The exhibition, entitled "Caminando la Cañada Real en Extremadura/Walking the Royal Drove Road in Extremadura", contains 62 photos & will be on display in ...
acuarex.blogspot.com/2008/01/ inauguration-of-royal-drove-road-photo.html - 45k - Còpia en memòria - Pàgines semblants
GC12EEZ - A Traditional Cache in Spain called Castillejo-Cañada de ...
A few meters to the north lies an important cattle route or drove road, called by the maps in this zone Cañada de las Negras. With some difficulty it is ...
www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details. aspx?guid=c25d222c-025c-4adb-abb9-d9b9cc111e76 - 53k - Còpia en memòria - Pàgines semblants

[PPT]
Transhumance on the Iberian Peninsula
Format del fitxer: Microsoft Powerpoint - Versió HTML
Sheep do pass by their special ways, the cañadas reales or the Royal Drove Road from Northern- to Southern-Spain. Cañadas reales are part of the network of ...
www.weide.info/transhumanz.pps - Pàgines semblants
[PDF]
ALTERRA
Format del fitxer: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
A royal drove road (cañada real) in the western part of León, fringed by forest with. transhumance taking place, involving a flock of sheep driven by a ...
www.macaulay.ac.uk/elpen/pdf/soto.pdf - Pàgines semblants

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http://www.keystothepast.info/durhamcc/K2P.nsf/K2PGlossary?r...

Droveway; Drove road
There is a long tradition of herding cattle between England and Scotland. The main route ways usually led over the upland area of the Cheviots. Some of these routes, such as Ermspeth, have Anglo-Saxon names suggesting that they have been in use for over 1000 years. They are often cut by large cross-dykes, which help control the passage of the herds. The movement of cattle along these routes died out in the post-medieval period.

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http://www.survivethefuture.net/AntonyPetition.htm

Funded by the European Union itself under the programme designed to establish a network of footpaths and bridleways throughout Europe for the common good, the Government of Spain passed the new ***Drove Roads’*** Act in 1995.

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[PDF]
LIFE and agri-environment supporting Natura 2000 Experience from ...



Format del fitxer: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Versió HTML
transhumance was drawn up, including an estimate of ... Transhumance on an ancient drove road. Photo © Fundación Global-Nature, Eduardo de Miguel ...
ec.europa.eu/environment/life/publications/ lifepublications/lifefocus/documents/agrienvironment_en.pdf - Pàgines semblants


PETITION TO THE EUROPEAN UNION IN THE MATTER OF A FLAGRANT BREACH ...
Additionally, the 1995 Drove Road Act also establishes three main kinds of drove road: the “Vereda”, the “Cordel” and the “Cañada Real”, and stipulates very ...
www.survivethefuture.net/AntonyPetition.htm - 24k - Còpia en memòria - Pàgines semblants
Peer comment(s):
agree translatol : Although they aren't 'roads' in the modern sense but rather paths (I've seen many), so 'droveway' might be better.
14 mins
I know what you mean -I too have walked along many of them- but I've always heard them referred to as drove roads in English -a Spanish friend of mine did his PhD on the cañadas & it was always translated that way:-)
agree Nikki Graham : Thanks. This is what I have just used in my translation. Seems best option to me.
920 days
thanks, Nikki :)
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26 mins

royal ravine / gulch (explicado abajo)

Recomendaría dejar “cañada real” y agregar nota con explicación en inglés.

ravine
a narrow steep-sided valley commonly eroded by running water.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ravine

gulch
a deep, narrow ravine marking the course of a stream or torrent.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gulch

Peer comment(s):
neutral Noni Gilbert Riley : In Spain the cañadas follow all sorts of different routes - including the main street through Madrid!//They're for sheep as well!
4 mins
Thanks for explaining! Still, this is a "vía pecuaria" or cattle trail, in a rural area. Also, "ravine" goes rather nicely together with "royal".
agree Enrique Espinosa
44 mins
Gracias Enrique!
disagree translatol : Cañada = valle poco marcardo, así llamado por distinguirse sólo por el cañaveral de fondo (Corominas, "Breve Dic. Etimológico")
48 mins
Thanks for explaining. My confidence level was based on what dictionaries offer./You know why they are called "cañadas" even over mesetas?/ Thanks for the Corominas ref!
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9 mins

Royal herding tracks/roads

A possible option with quite a few google hits.

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This link describes it rather nicely I think:

"...'Cañada Real', one of the pastoral routes that criss cross Spain."

http://www.spanishfootsteps.com/index.php5?action=guides2

"Our walk today will take you past woodlands clothed in Pines, Poplars, Holm Oaks and Gall Oaks. Fill your lungs with the clean air, due to the lack of heavy industries in the province. Wild herbs scent your pathway and during autumn the ground comes alive with wild mushrooms. Our circular walk ends in the small rural village of Cubo de la Solana, which lies near the ‘Cañada Real’, one of the pastoral routes that criss cross Spain. "
Peer comment(s):
agree Noni Gilbert Riley : Herding may well be more accessible for readers, although it doesn't give the full meaning of transhumancia!
3 mins
Thanks Noni, I agree with your comment on Transhumancia.
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15 hrs

Cañada Real [Don't translate it]

Assuming that it's the proper name of the road, since it's capitalized, it SHOULD NOT BE TRANSLATED.

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Also, your context explains what it is - there is no reason at all to translate it.
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