Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
fort de cette origine
English translation:
Drawing on this noble ancestry
Added to glossary by
Sheila Hardie
Apr 13, 2011 14:21
13 yrs ago
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French term
Spain
passion des mots
Native in: English 
Works in: Catalan to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
fort de cette origine
French to English
Marketing
General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
La Nuit insolite de Chambord
La danse et le théâtre ont une origine historique légendaire à Chambord : la création, le 14 octobre 1670, du Bourgeois gentilhomme de Molière et Lully, comédie-ballet commandée par Louis XIV au génial duo. ***Fort de cette origine***, le Domaine national de Chambord entend réactiver cette pratique en la plaçant sous le sceau de la « surprise », notion Renaissante par excellence : énigmes, retournements, éloge de la folie comme mouvement fécond de la pensée, l’esthétique de la Renaissance n’aime rien plus que ces jeux avec le sens, qu’on songe à l’art de la pointe en poésie (le dernier vers du sonnet renversant le sens que le lecteur croyait avoir saisi), aux éléments perturbateurs qui s’immiscent dans certaines toiles (la fameuse anamorphose des Ambassadeurs d’Holbein), ou encore aux savantes dissonances de la musique.
This is not my text, but one very similar to it. I'm not happy with any of the phrases I'd generally use to translate 'fort de' - for example 'on the strength of'.
Any ideas greatly appreciated...
Many thanks in advance!
Sheila
La danse et le théâtre ont une origine historique légendaire à Chambord : la création, le 14 octobre 1670, du Bourgeois gentilhomme de Molière et Lully, comédie-ballet commandée par Louis XIV au génial duo. ***Fort de cette origine***, le Domaine national de Chambord entend réactiver cette pratique en la plaçant sous le sceau de la « surprise », notion Renaissante par excellence : énigmes, retournements, éloge de la folie comme mouvement fécond de la pensée, l’esthétique de la Renaissance n’aime rien plus que ces jeux avec le sens, qu’on songe à l’art de la pointe en poésie (le dernier vers du sonnet renversant le sens que le lecteur croyait avoir saisi), aux éléments perturbateurs qui s’immiscent dans certaines toiles (la fameuse anamorphose des Ambassadeurs d’Holbein), ou encore aux savantes dissonances de la musique.
This is not my text, but one very similar to it. I'm not happy with any of the phrases I'd generally use to translate 'fort de' - for example 'on the strength of'.
Any ideas greatly appreciated...
Many thanks in advance!
Sheila
Proposed translations
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Change log
Apr 13, 2011 14:24: Stéphanie Soudais changed "Field (specific)" from "Tourism & Travel" to "General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters"
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Proposed translations
+6
8 mins
Philippa Smith
Native in English
Works in field
29 years turning out perfect English
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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49
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Drawing on this noble ancestry
As in "Drawing on this noble ancestry, the Domaine national de Chambord intends reviving..."
One of many options - you can move away from the French and play with your phrasing here, in line with how you've translated the rest of your text.
One of many options - you can move away from the French and play with your phrasing here, in line with how you've translated the rest of your text.
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
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Thanks Phil!
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Evans (X)
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Thanks Gilla!
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silvester55
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Thanks a lot!
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Neil Coffey
: Slightly overpoetic for what's quite a hackneyed phrase in French, but on the other hand I quite like it.
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Thanks Neil; interesting you find it overpoetic - I'm seeing typical marketing blurb, the sort of blah blah I've written and read a thousand times...!
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mikecassady
: I'd slightly prefer "Drawing confidence from this noble ancestry" (Petit Robert pg 811), to stick closer to the French, but this flows well
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Thanks Mike; I don't think "drawing confidence" would work here, it's okay/necessary to get far away from the French in marketing blurb
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Helen Shiner
: or just 'Drawing on this history'
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Thanks Helen!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you all for your answers and comments - they have given me lots of ideas! This is the one that best fits my context. Thanks again!"
+1
7 mins
with this (origin/legend) in my mind
In the context, any relevant transition would do
Peer comment(s):
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CKSTraductions
: In memory of this
22 mins
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thanks
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philgoddard
: Did you mean to say "my"?
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no, not at all ;-)
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31 mins
Verginia Ophof
Belize
Belize
Native in English
Specializes in field
Belize
Near Native Proficiency in Source langua
Native in: English
Works in: Portuguese to English, Dutch to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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53
Strong point of the/this origin
Forte, from the French fort for "strength", originally pronounced /ˈfɔrt/ but now commonly /ˈfɔrteɪ/ in English[1]; a person's strong point [1] ("Preparing gourmet cuisine is his forte"). The English pronunciation is likely due to a historical confusion with the doublet below (musical term from the Italian). In light of this, some regard the common English pronunciation as incorrect and insist that it should be pronounced /ˈfɔrt/.
Reference:
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Neil Coffey
: Don't quite see the relevance. (N.B. "fort" is an adjective here.)
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58 mins
encouraged by/building upon this antecedent
A choice.
+1
57 mins
from these auspicious beginnings
just thought I'd throw this into the pot
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I know it doesn't work grammatically here but it just might fit your own sentence
Otherwise, what about something about its 'prestigious legacy'...?
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I know it doesn't work grammatically here but it just might fit your own sentence
Otherwise, what about something about its 'prestigious legacy'...?
1 hr
Sarah Bessioud
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Works in field
Germany
A way with words
Native in: English (Variants: UK, US, British)
Works in: German to English, French to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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38
proud of their past
Although this is not a literal translation, this may be a natural way of expressing this in English. According to how this is used in your text, you may also want to consider proud of its past, or proud of this fact as alternatives.
+2
1 hr
building on this background
Je ne connais pas de traduction littérale - et je n'en trouve pas non plus. Il me semble que celle-ci rend bien l'idée suggérée.
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Sandra & Kenneth Grossman
: building on this tradition
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Yes, fine too
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Helen Shiner
: with Sangro
18 hrs
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merci
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1 hr
Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
www.lingocraft.co.uk
Native in: English (Variants: Irish, Singaporean, UK, South African, British, Scottish)
Works in: French to English, Italian to English, Romanian to English, and 2 more.
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Boosted by their origins (OR:) Boosted by the awareness of where they have come from
I suggest the word "boost" with the idea that they have been strengthened, or feel supported, by the knowledge or awareness of where they have come from and got to at this point - ie. they have achieved a sort of confidence that has grown from their origins.
12 hrs
As/being the place where it originated, the National Preserve of Chambord is planning ...
Hello,
Fort de cette origine = Being the place where it originated (it = la création de...).
Le Domaine National de Chambord is the national preserve grounds in Chambord where this creation took root (both dance and theatrical aspects in this creation originated there). So, this Preserve wants to revive these traditions in its "town of origin".
Le Domaine national de Chambord est un EPIC (établissement public à caractère industriel et commercial) depuis 2005, dirigé par un comité de direction.
http://www.chambord.org/
Le domaine national de Chambord couvre 5 441 ha, dont 1 000 ha sont publics, est ceinturé d'un mur de 33 km, ce qui en fait le plus grand parc forestier ...
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Château_de_Chambord
Finally, there is a tendancy to sometimes overtranslate "fort de", or make the translation too unnatural-sounding in English. I think that is what is happening in many of the translation proposed thusfar.
I hope this helps.
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We don't need any talk of "drawing/building upon" here in the English translation. Simply stating that this is where this comédie-bllet originated (la création) carries over nicely the idea of "fort de cette origine".
Be careful not to overtranslate this!
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Or "National Preserve Grounds of Chambord"....
I may be knit-picking, but I don't like "drawing upon this history" as a translation because it takes away from the permanent "state" of "fort de cette origine". In other words, it's not just now that the "Domaine National de Chambord" is "fort de cette origine", but rather it is a permanent characteristic of the place. So, the idea is simply "being a place where it originated (ballet-comédie)". When you say "drawing upon", you're taking away from the focus of the French on the permanency of this origin in dance/theatre (what this place has always been and will always have going for it, from day one). It's just not because they've now decided to revive this art form that they are now "fort de cette origine".
All said in my very humble opinion.
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So there should be no focus on any action (drawing on) or what it is happening currently; it's simple a permanent state: Le Domaine National de Chambord, fort de cette origine, ....
Fort de cette origine = Being the place where it originated (it = la création de...).
Le Domaine National de Chambord is the national preserve grounds in Chambord where this creation took root (both dance and theatrical aspects in this creation originated there). So, this Preserve wants to revive these traditions in its "town of origin".
Le Domaine national de Chambord est un EPIC (établissement public à caractère industriel et commercial) depuis 2005, dirigé par un comité de direction.
http://www.chambord.org/
Le domaine national de Chambord couvre 5 441 ha, dont 1 000 ha sont publics, est ceinturé d'un mur de 33 km, ce qui en fait le plus grand parc forestier ...
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Château_de_Chambord
Finally, there is a tendancy to sometimes overtranslate "fort de", or make the translation too unnatural-sounding in English. I think that is what is happening in many of the translation proposed thusfar.
I hope this helps.
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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2011-04-14 16:54:03 GMT)
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We don't need any talk of "drawing/building upon" here in the English translation. Simply stating that this is where this comédie-bllet originated (la création) carries over nicely the idea of "fort de cette origine".
Be careful not to overtranslate this!
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Note added at 4 days (2011-04-17 17:29:40 GMT) Post-grading
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Or "National Preserve Grounds of Chambord"....
I may be knit-picking, but I don't like "drawing upon this history" as a translation because it takes away from the permanent "state" of "fort de cette origine". In other words, it's not just now that the "Domaine National de Chambord" is "fort de cette origine", but rather it is a permanent characteristic of the place. So, the idea is simply "being a place where it originated (ballet-comédie)". When you say "drawing upon", you're taking away from the focus of the French on the permanency of this origin in dance/theatre (what this place has always been and will always have going for it, from day one). It's just not because they've now decided to revive this art form that they are now "fort de cette origine".
All said in my very humble opinion.
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Note added at 4 days (2011-04-17 17:34:02 GMT) Post-grading
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So there should be no focus on any action (drawing on) or what it is happening currently; it's simple a permanent state: Le Domaine National de Chambord, fort de cette origine, ....
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