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borrador de goma casero

Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

borrador de papa

English translation:

vinyl eraser

Added to glossary by gcnyc
Jun 17, 2014 15:32
9 yrs ago
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Spanish term

borrador de papa

Spanish to English Art/Literary Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting paintings conservation
Used for conserving mural paintings in a church "Se hizó la limpieza profunda en forma mecánica, utilizando borrador de papa"
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 vinyl eraser
1 potato eraser

Discussion

Helena Chavarria Jun 17, 2014:
It's a difficult term to research You get websites about the Pope, tax return drafts and potatoes :-)
Charles Davis Jun 17, 2014:
@ gcnyc That may well be so. On balance I'd say it seems likely that this "papa" thing is indeed a vinyl eraser. There are indications that it is white, which points that way, and it makes sense. But I just wanted to point out that the evidence on the meaning of this term is slight and equivocal.
Helena Chavarria Jun 17, 2014:
@gcnyc I agree with you. Vinyl erasers don't leave marks on the painting. Architects, etc. used to use them before the days of AutoCad.

As for your second comment, I would have immediately understood a wink!
gcnyc (asker) Jun 17, 2014:
Helena, I'm hoping you realized that my "crowd" comment was tongue-in-cheek! Perhaps I should have used a wink ;)
gcnyc (asker) Jun 17, 2014:
I believe in this case rubber is a synonym for eraser:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kneaded_eraser

But your reference leads back to my original question (which I had to separate into 2 questions) because the sentence reads "utilizando borrador de papa, luego borrador de goma casero" - which would indicate that the latter is a gum eraser OR a kneaded eraser a.k.a. putty rubber, and the former is a vinyl eraser, more generically known as an art eraser.
Charles Davis Jun 17, 2014:
On the other hand "los que podian compraban el borrador de “papa” era un jebe de color amarillento"
http://www.arkivperu.com/lapices-de-color-patita-1966/

"Jebe" means rubber. Could "yellowish rubber" be vinyl? I don't know. Or could it actually be a gum eraser after all?
Helena Chavarria Jun 17, 2014:
I wouldn't call them (us) a 'crowd'... I think we're a rather nice bunch of people.
gcnyc (asker) Jun 17, 2014:
Yeah, you've really got to stay on your toes with this crowd!
Helena Chavarria Jun 17, 2014:
It's all my fault. It was me who pointed out that KudoZ rules only allow us to post one question at a time so I only answered one of the questions, although I knew the answer to the second. I wanted to help the asker but didn't want to go against the rules. BTW, I would have quite understood if someone had answered now because it was my fault for not being in front of a computer. I really appreciate everyone waiting for me. Thank you :)
DLyons Jun 17, 2014:
Well, we could try to steal somebody's points :-)
gcnyc (asker) Jun 17, 2014:
That's correct, I believe I have a satisfactory answer - vinyl eraser.
philgoddard Jun 17, 2014:
So you already know the answer and there's no point in our responding?
gcnyc (asker) Jun 17, 2014:
Yes, but someone pointed out that I had posted 2 similar terms in the same question, so I contacted an administrator who deleted the original question and advised me to post them separately. In fact, I got a good answer - so I'm hoping that person will notice this and answer again, so I can award her points.
DLyons Jun 17, 2014:
Didn't we have this before?// Yup, that makes sense. I remember looking at it and being unsure.

Proposed translations

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vinyl eraser

I'm sure of the answer, I'll try and find some references.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2014-06-17 20:23:54 GMT)
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MATERIALES.-
1. Dos lápices carbonillo graso y semigraso y un lápiz tekno 6B.
2. Un borrador “faber” blanco más conocido como “borrador de papa”.
3. Un esfumino.
4. Una cartulina blanca o block sketch.

http://www.une.edu.pe/investigacion/CSH CIENCIAS SOC Y HUM 2...

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Para borrar un trazo de este lapiz de carboncillo o del carboncillo de sauce lloron, no se usa borardor comun o borrador blanco, porque se mancha, se usa un borrador de papa, o borrador de plastico (parece plastilina) viene en su cajita redonda de plastico azul en la base y la tapa es transparente de marca pelican, estos borradores tambien venden en la "tienda de articulos de arte".

https://es.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200911080902...

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Note added at 6 hrs (2014-06-17 21:51:54 GMT)
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Bust after cleaning with aqueous cleaning solutions, white vinyl erasers and low pressure steam.

http://fineartconserv.com/sculpture

ese error es porque las memorias o sus ranuras se han ensuciado, usa un borrador de papa (de esos blancos) para limpiar los contactos de la memoria, esas patitas amarillas, pero sin tocarlas con las manos solo con el borrador y con un pincel limpia las ranuras a lo mejor le callo polvo cuando lo limpiaste y se quedo allí o a lo mejor colocaste mal las memorias.

http://forobeta.com/tutoriales/326944-mi-laptop-me-da-erro-d...
Note from asker:
Thank you, Helena!
Peer comment(s):
agree DLyons : Shoot! You beat me to it :-) For references, just Google Image the pictures in the two languages.
13 mins
I wanted to find the reference I used yesterday, which mentions both erasers together. Thank you very much ;-)
agree Charles Davis : Your last reference is the only really clear evidence I've seen. Faber make many kinds of eraser, so that's not much help, and I have found no images of a borrador de papa (I've looked!). I think plastic eraser is the closest we'll get.
1 hr
I'm afraid I don't have time to look for further references at the moment. Thank you, Charles :)
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17 hrs

potato eraser

I'm wondering if it could actually refer to potatos! Seriously - bread is often used as an eraser for charcoal drawings. I found a couple of references to potatoes in the context of painting conservation (see links below for origin of references):

"Manuals on the conservation of paintings traditionally have included brief discussions of dry methods of surface cleaning, including the use of dusting brushes and cloths, erasers, and sponges.
Foodstuffs, including fresh breadcrumbs, “cakes,” potatoes,
and onions have also been mentioned (Mora et al. 1984; Keck
1978)"

"White bread, raw garlic, onions and potatoes may sound alright if you're hungry, but some people believe that they can clean oil paintings with them. Their reasoning is sound enough: Each of these foods has the right amount of moisture in them to pick up water-soluble dirt without getting the picture wet"

"Another home remedy for cleaning oil paintings is to cut a big white potato in half, then rub the white moist part over the painting. Do this gently; do not use brute force to try to get the dirt off. The dirt will stick to the potato. Then blot the painting with lukewarm water and a soft cloth to clean off the potato residue."

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Note added at 17 hrs (2014-06-18 09:22:50 GMT)
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Of course, I meant to type "potatoes"!
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Reference:

http://cool.conservation-us.org/waac/wn/wn27/wn27-2/wn27-205.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-grant/repair-damaged-artwork-yo_b_801838.html

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