Nov 2, 2019 14:26
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Panama
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Native in: Spanish (Variants: Costa Rican, Panamanian, Nicaraguan, Mexican, Peruvian, Venezuelan, Cuban, Honduran, Argentine, US, Guatemalan, Salvadoran, Latin American, Colombian) 
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish
Albertismo/Albertista
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
This is not really a question on how to translate "Albertismo" per se (it refers to Argentina's President-elect Alberto Fernandez) but rather about how names are usually translated in politics, specifically when the names of high-profile figures (presidents, rulers, heads of state, dictators, "caudillos," etc.) are used to name political movements or as a way to denote their administrations or regimes or styles of ruling.
This is specially common in Latin America: Macrismo (Argentina's outgoing President Mauricio Macri), Kirchnerismo (Argentina's Cristina Kirchner) Chavismo and Madurismo (Venezuela's Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro), Orteguismo (Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega), and a long list of other names, mostly using the last name of the political figure but I've sometimes seen the first name used instead, like Alberto's above. And then there are the adjectives derived from these: macrista, chavista, etc.
I would like to have concrete and serious references (if there are any!), please, about how to properly translate these names to English. I've looked all over the web and there are inconsistencies. Sometimes the last letter is kept (Chavismo and chavista instead of Chavism and chavist), other times it is omitted; sometimes they are written with an initial capital letter, other times they are not, and so on. And this is driving me crazy! :(
And please, let's keep this civil. I wouldn't like to start a political discussion here, as this is not the forum for it. Only from a linguistics point of view. :)
Many thanks in advance!
This is specially common in Latin America: Macrismo (Argentina's outgoing President Mauricio Macri), Kirchnerismo (Argentina's Cristina Kirchner) Chavismo and Madurismo (Venezuela's Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro), Orteguismo (Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega), and a long list of other names, mostly using the last name of the political figure but I've sometimes seen the first name used instead, like Alberto's above. And then there are the adjectives derived from these: macrista, chavista, etc.
I would like to have concrete and serious references (if there are any!), please, about how to properly translate these names to English. I've looked all over the web and there are inconsistencies. Sometimes the last letter is kept (Chavismo and chavista instead of Chavism and chavist), other times it is omitted; sometimes they are written with an initial capital letter, other times they are not, and so on. And this is driving me crazy! :(
And please, let's keep this civil. I wouldn't like to start a political discussion here, as this is not the forum for it. Only from a linguistics point of view. :)
Many thanks in advance!
Proposed translations
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| 3 +3 | Albertismo |
patinba
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| 4 +1 | Albertism/Albertist |
Daniel Coria
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Taña Dalglish
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Albertismo
What fun! This one will surely run and run, as they say in the UK. Starting with your specific term, for the moment I would go with Albertismo. It is obvously a new coinage, the first name being used because both the president elect and his VP and former president have the same surname. Albertista has been used in Peru recently, so I think it should be avoided. The Economist Style Guides states that political, economic or religious labels formed from proper names should have a capital.
Personally I would not use Albertism for example, as even in English it is easier on the ear with an "o" on the end, and the same applies to several other recent coinings. On the other hand, "Peronism" is the accepted form in English texts, rather than Peronismo. In my opinion there are no hard and fast rules or right or wrong ways, except what sounds best or has become most accepted over time.
Personally I would not use Albertism for example, as even in English it is easier on the ear with an "o" on the end, and the same applies to several other recent coinings. On the other hand, "Peronism" is the accepted form in English texts, rather than Peronismo. In my opinion there are no hard and fast rules or right or wrong ways, except what sounds best or has become most accepted over time.
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Comment: "Thank you! And also thanks for mentioning The Economist Style Guides, that's super helpful (I've added the guide to my long list of books I'm getting from Amazon one of these days... haha)
Thanks everyone who commented or suggested answers, as well.
I know it's not a hard-and-fast rule and I would've liked to continue the discussion but I have to close this question :) "
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Daniel Coria
Argentina
Argentina
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Argentina
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Albertism/Albertist
There are several less-recent (and well-established) examples that support the construction with -ism and -ist and capitalization: Marxism, Leninism, Trotskyism, Trumpism, Darwinism, etc. Of course, there are journalists or writers with a Spanish-speaking background who may use, for instance, the untranslated "Chavismo" in an English-language article as a way to bring the reader closer to the actual concept as it is known locally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_ideologies
Spain’s leader offers an alternative to Trumpism
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/09/25/spains-leade...
Chavismo, also known as Chavism and Chavezism (Spanish: Chavismo), is a left-wing political ..... The Weekly Standard. Retrieved 6 July 2013. ^ Santora, Marc (26 September 2006).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavismo
Dec 29, 2013 - I believe that Latin American populism — from Chavism to contemporary Peronism — is still a constant temptation amid the poverty and ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/opinion/latin-america-lea...
Hope it helps!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_ideologies
Spain’s leader offers an alternative to Trumpism
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/09/25/spains-leade...
Chavismo, also known as Chavism and Chavezism (Spanish: Chavismo), is a left-wing political ..... The Weekly Standard. Retrieved 6 July 2013. ^ Santora, Marc (26 September 2006).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavismo
Dec 29, 2013 - I believe that Latin American populism — from Chavism to contemporary Peronism — is still a constant temptation amid the poverty and ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/opinion/latin-america-lea...
Hope it helps!
Reference comments
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Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Jamaica
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Jamaica
Translating the Ideas Behind the Words
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 2 more.
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Refs.
https://www.en24.news/2019/10/in-albertism-they-look-towards...
In Albertism they look towards the transition and fear for Macri's reaction to a defeat
Spanish link (same as above) https://www.eldestapeweb.com/nota/en-el-albertismo-miran-hac...
Gonzalo (@GonzaloLohiol) | Twitter
https://twitter.com › GonzaloLohiol
The latest Tweets from Gonzalo (@GonzaloLohiol). human of late cristinism / early albertism. Mar del Plata, Argentina.
politics – Page 10 – Naaju
https://cannels.com › argentina › tag › politics › page
Argentina. The Buenos Aires stock market rose 2.60% Friday, but lost 41.49% ... Argentina. Sources of albertism have recognized at iProfesional that, in the ...
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Albertism is not a new concept.
Albertism is a movement within late-medieval Aristotelianism that distinguished itself from other contemporary philosophical schools by taking Albert the Great as the most reliable interpreter of Aristotle. Its main representatives were Johannes de Nova Domo (Paris) and Heymericus de Campo (Cologne). Albertism was very critical of Nominalism and challenged Thomism and Scotism on a number of issues in the field of logic, natural philosophy, and metaphysics. Its main centre throughout the fifteenth century was the Bursa Laurentiana at the University of Cologne, which housed Johannes Hulshout of Mechelen, Gerardus de Harderwijck, and Arnoldus Luyde de Tongeris. They were active in the writing of Albertist manuals and commentaries on Aristotle, most of which were printed in large numbers and distributed at many different universities. In these writings, the Albertists took a well-defined stand on a number of issues without, however, developing an independent, all-embracing philosophical system – an observation that also applies to the other schools of thought. In the modern period, it lost much of its attraction because of its critical attitude towards Nominalism and due to the fact that, unlike Thomism and Scotism, it lacked support from the religious orders. Some of its ideas nevertheless survived within different Thomistic and Scotistic schools.
Albertism | SpringerLink
https://link.springer.com › ...
Albertism is a movement within late-medieval Aristotelianism that distinguished itself from other contemporary philosophical schools by taking Albert the Great as the most reliable interpreter of Aristotle. Its main representatives were Johannes de Nova Domo (Paris) and Heymericus de Campo (Cologne).
https://www.nwo.nl/en/research-and-results/research-projects... The program studies the formation of late medieval schools of thought from philosophical, prosopographical, and historical perspectives with special attention to the history of Thomism, **Albertism**, and Nominalism.
Methodologically, the emphasis is on the interdisciplinary approach to the problem and on the relationship between the institutional settings and the impact and consolidation of the schools.
"Secundum processum et mentem Versoris": John ... - jstor
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by P RUTTEN - 2005 - Cited by 8 - Related articles
dence that Versor ever committed himself to either Albertism or Thomism. In addition, the Cologne ...... Udalricus de Argentina (Ulrich von Strassburg).57 It.
In Albertism they look towards the transition and fear for Macri's reaction to a defeat
Spanish link (same as above) https://www.eldestapeweb.com/nota/en-el-albertismo-miran-hac...
Gonzalo (@GonzaloLohiol) | Twitter
https://twitter.com › GonzaloLohiol
The latest Tweets from Gonzalo (@GonzaloLohiol). human of late cristinism / early albertism. Mar del Plata, Argentina.
politics – Page 10 – Naaju
https://cannels.com › argentina › tag › politics › page
Argentina. The Buenos Aires stock market rose 2.60% Friday, but lost 41.49% ... Argentina. Sources of albertism have recognized at iProfesional that, in the ...
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Albertism is not a new concept.
Albertism is a movement within late-medieval Aristotelianism that distinguished itself from other contemporary philosophical schools by taking Albert the Great as the most reliable interpreter of Aristotle. Its main representatives were Johannes de Nova Domo (Paris) and Heymericus de Campo (Cologne). Albertism was very critical of Nominalism and challenged Thomism and Scotism on a number of issues in the field of logic, natural philosophy, and metaphysics. Its main centre throughout the fifteenth century was the Bursa Laurentiana at the University of Cologne, which housed Johannes Hulshout of Mechelen, Gerardus de Harderwijck, and Arnoldus Luyde de Tongeris. They were active in the writing of Albertist manuals and commentaries on Aristotle, most of which were printed in large numbers and distributed at many different universities. In these writings, the Albertists took a well-defined stand on a number of issues without, however, developing an independent, all-embracing philosophical system – an observation that also applies to the other schools of thought. In the modern period, it lost much of its attraction because of its critical attitude towards Nominalism and due to the fact that, unlike Thomism and Scotism, it lacked support from the religious orders. Some of its ideas nevertheless survived within different Thomistic and Scotistic schools.
Albertism | SpringerLink
https://link.springer.com › ...
Albertism is a movement within late-medieval Aristotelianism that distinguished itself from other contemporary philosophical schools by taking Albert the Great as the most reliable interpreter of Aristotle. Its main representatives were Johannes de Nova Domo (Paris) and Heymericus de Campo (Cologne).
https://www.nwo.nl/en/research-and-results/research-projects... The program studies the formation of late medieval schools of thought from philosophical, prosopographical, and historical perspectives with special attention to the history of Thomism, **Albertism**, and Nominalism.
Methodologically, the emphasis is on the interdisciplinary approach to the problem and on the relationship between the institutional settings and the impact and consolidation of the schools.
"Secundum processum et mentem Versoris": John ... - jstor
https://www.jstor.org › stable - Translate this page
by P RUTTEN - 2005 - Cited by 8 - Related articles
dence that Versor ever committed himself to either Albertism or Thomism. In addition, the Cologne ...... Udalricus de Argentina (Ulrich von Strassburg).57 It.
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