Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
takes its meaning from
French translation:
prend le sens tel que défini par
Added to glossary by
nicole GELISTER
Nov 16, 2016 00:02
7 yrs ago
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English term
United Kingdom
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, Spanish to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
takes its meaning from
English to French
Other
Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs
disclosure certificate UK
This is part of the following :
'Conviction *takes its meaning* from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974..."
I take to mean 'refers to' but not sure how to render it in French.
Many thanks
Nicole
'Conviction *takes its meaning* from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974..."
I take to mean 'refers to' but not sure how to render it in French.
Many thanks
Nicole
Proposed translations
(French)
| 5 +1 | prend le sens tel que défini par |
Daryo
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| 4 +6 | au sens de/tel que défini par..... |
Francois Boye
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| 4 +2 | se fonde sur |
Aymen Ben Ajmia
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| 3 -1 | provient de |
marie trad
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Proposed translations
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1 hr
English term (edited):
[legal term] takes its meaning from [legal act where the definition is given]
Selected
prend le sens tel que défini par
[legal term] takes its meaning from [legal act where the definition is given]
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[legal term] prend le sens tel que défini part [legal act where the definition is given]
"Conviction" takes its meaning from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974...
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in this document [i.e a UK "Disclosure Certificate"], the meaning given to the term "Conviction" is as defined by how "Conviction" is used/defined in Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974
Giving the "definition of terms" for the purpose of the specific document is a good practice to avoid disputes about the meaning of terms.
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-11-16 01:31:50 GMT)
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prend le sens tel que défini par
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[legal term] prend le sens tel que défini part [legal act where the definition is given]
"Conviction" takes its meaning from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974...
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in this document [i.e a UK "Disclosure Certificate"], the meaning given to the term "Conviction" is as defined by how "Conviction" is used/defined in Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974
Giving the "definition of terms" for the purpose of the specific document is a good practice to avoid disputes about the meaning of terms.
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-11-16 01:31:50 GMT)
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prend le sens tel que défini par
Peer comment(s):
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ph-b (X)
: Tournure plus que maladroite en français… /Je n'ai pas dit qu'elle était incorrecte, mais qu'elle était maladroite parce que vous mélangez deux expressions. Réfs. fiables pour pour «prendre le sens tel que défini par » ?
5 hrs
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peut-être pas la tournure la plus simple ou la plus usuelle, mais certainement correcte // « a le sens que lui donne »/« au sens de »/« tel que défini par » est plus simple, d'accord là-dessus.
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Didier Fourcot
: "a le sens défini par" ou "est défini par"
8 hrs
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Merci!
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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19 mins
marie trad
Native in French
Works in field
Translator EN-IT-FR
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France)
Works in: English to French, Italian to French
provient de
Il s'agit d'une expression qui explique l'origine d'un mot, son étymologie.
Example sentence:
"...le français, et bon nombre de ses mots, provient de son histoire, de ses conquérants et de ses invasions.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Jean-Claude Gouin
59 mins
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| disagree |
Daryo
: not here - this ST is not about linguistic [no one is bothered about the etymology of "conviction"] but about the legal definition of the term - more precisely in which laws to look for the exact definition to be given to this term.
1 hr
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Aymen Ben Ajmia
: Bonjour, je pense que l'étymologie de ce mot ne peut pas provenir d'une loi de 1974.
6 hrs
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+2
1 hr
Aymen Ben Ajmia
France
France
Native in French
France
Qualified french translator
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, Portuguese to French
se fonde sur
Une suggestion.
Il s'agit d'une loi sur la réinsertion des condamnés qui peuvent bénéficier d'une réduction de peine après une période de réadaptation. Je comprends cette phrase de la manière suivante : « La condamnation se fonde sur cette loi. » Autrement dit, l'ampleur de la condamnation va dépendre (se fonder sur) du contenu des textes de cette loi.
Il s'agit d'une loi sur la réinsertion des condamnés qui peuvent bénéficier d'une réduction de peine après une période de réadaptation. Je comprends cette phrase de la manière suivante : « La condamnation se fonde sur cette loi. » Autrement dit, l'ampleur de la condamnation va dépendre (se fonder sur) du contenu des textes de cette loi.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
SilvijaG
55 mins
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| agree |
GILLES MEUNIER
3 hrs
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| agree |
Eric KUATE FOTSO
5 hrs
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| neutral |
ph-b (X)
: Le sens d’un mot se fonde-t-il sur quoi que ce soit ? Je ne pense pas : il provient de…, trouve son étymologie dans…, etc. On utilise « se fonder sur » pour des avis, décision, opinions, etc.
5 hrs
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Odile Raymond
: Non, il s'agit du terme "conviction".
5 hrs
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| disagree |
Daryo
: your explanation is completely off-tangent // here the "disclosure" is simply "l'extrait du casier judiciaire" and the reference to the 1974 Act is there only to specify which convictions are included/mentioned or not in this "disclosure"
6 hrs
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+6
2 hrs
Francois Boye
United States
United States
Native in French
United States
An economic geek with social skills
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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8
au sens de/tel que défini par.....
my take
Note from asker:
| le sens que lui confere ... ? |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
ph-b (X)
: variante : « [conviction] ... a le sens que lui donne/que donne à ce terme la législation... »
5 hrs
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| agree |
Odile Raymond
5 hrs
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| agree |
Daryo
: ça marche aussi
6 hrs
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| agree |
Annie Rigler
8 hrs
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| agree |
Audrey Meligon
18 hrs
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| agree |
Poorlando
4 days
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Discussion
is a rather convoluted/sightly cryptic way to say that only convictions that are not "spent" according to this Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 are mentioned in this disclosure;
so it's a "basic disclosure", as per the other question from the same series http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_french/certificates_dip...
Short version: some convictions after a number of years are no longer included in the "basic disclosure" (but are still mentioned/disclosed in the "enhanced disclosure")