Glossary entry (derived from question below)
русский term or phrase:
демпинг по тарифам
английский translation:
rate or rates dumping
Added to glossary by
Kurt Porter
Aug 11, 2005 13:12
18 yrs ago
русский term
Translations that read like originals
Native in: английский
Works in: русский => английский, французский => английский
демпинг по тарифам
русский => английский
Бизнес/Финансы
Страхование
«Многие литовские страховые компании оказались в сложном положении, что было обусловлено многократно возросшими лимитами ответственности по ОСАГО в результате вступления Литвы в Евросоюз и демпингом по тарифам.
The translator whose work I am editing has rendered this as "rates dumping." I know 'dumping' is a proper economic term, but "rates dumping" sounds like 'translationese' to me. I find no hits for it on Google (except where the two words are separated by a comma/full stop). Any suggestions?
The translator whose work I am editing has rendered this as "rates dumping." I know 'dumping' is a proper economic term, but "rates dumping" sounds like 'translationese' to me. I find no hits for it on Google (except where the two words are separated by a comma/full stop). Any suggestions?
Proposed translations
(английский)
| 4 +9 | rates dumping is fine. |
Kurt Porter
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| 5 +1 | tariff dumping |
Sergey Strakhov
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| 4 +1 | dumping |
Konstantin Kisin
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| 4 | cutting rates or slashing rates |
TransRussian
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| 3 | tariff dumping |
2rush
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Change log
Aug 11, 2005 20:42: Natalie changed "Term asked" from "демпинг по тариф" to "������� �� �������"
Proposed translations
+9
8 мин
Kurt Porter
Native in английский
Experienced translator/interpreter
Native in: английский
Works in: русский => английский, английский => русский, английский, and 1 more.
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4
русский term (edited):
������� �� �����
Selected
rates dumping is fine.
if too uncommon for you..."severly lower rates..."?
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Note added at 17 mins (2005-08-11 13:29:49 GMT)
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From Alexander\'s link:
New Law Stops Unemployment Insurance Rate Dumping
Federal law requires each state to meet minimum standards to prevent employers from manipulating their unemployment insurance experience rate through business reorganization. Illinois has been ahead of most states in this regard but PA 94-301/SB 411 brings us to full federal compliance. The bill was sponsored by Sen. James DeLeo (D-Chicago) and Rep. Hoffman and is effective January 1, 2006. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name...
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Note added at 17 mins (2005-08-11 13:29:49 GMT)
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From Alexander\'s link:
New Law Stops Unemployment Insurance Rate Dumping
Federal law requires each state to meet minimum standards to prevent employers from manipulating their unemployment insurance experience rate through business reorganization. Illinois has been ahead of most states in this regard but PA 94-301/SB 411 brings us to full federal compliance. The bill was sponsored by Sen. James DeLeo (D-Chicago) and Rep. Hoffman and is effective January 1, 2006. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name...
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Alexander Demyanov
: http://www.tmanet.com/publication/legislative/report.asp + 'insurace rates' is by far more common than 'tariffs'
3 мин
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Thank you, Alexander.
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| agree |
Robert Donahue (X)
: I'd recommend just "rate dumping".
2 час
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Good point and thank you.
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| agree |
Larissa Dinsley
: agree with Robert
2 час
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Thank you.
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| agree |
Andrey Belousov (X)
3 час
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Thank you, Andrey.
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| agree |
Dorene Cornwell
: rates or rate is definitely the right term for insurance context.
8 час
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Thank you, Dorene.
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| agree |
Tsogt Gombosuren
: "rate dumping"
16 час
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Thank you, Tsogt.
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| agree |
Volha K
17 час
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Thank you, Olga.
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Svetlana Chekunova
17 час
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Thank you, Svetlana.
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alex11
: it works but I still believe souce mean - tariffs
6 дн
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Alex11, thank you....I'm a rate duming kind of guy myself. Speaking of the translation itself only....of course...:)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Graded automatically based on peer agreement."
+1
5 мин
Sergey Strakhov
Native in русский
Reliability and Experience
Native in: русский 
, украинский
Works in: английский => русский, немецкий => русский, английский => украинский, and 5 more.
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3
русский term (edited):
������� �� �����
tariff dumping
BALI UPDATE #360 - 04 August 2003 - [ Diese Seite übersetzen ]
Furthermore, Lion Air insists that its low-fare policy does not represent tariff
dumping, claiming their operating cost per passenger on the route for a 167 ...
www.balidiscovery.com/update/update360.asp
Furthermore, Lion Air insists that its low-fare policy does not represent tariff
dumping, claiming their operating cost per passenger on the route for a 167 ...
www.balidiscovery.com/update/update360.asp
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
alex11
: I would say: tariffs dumping. And for asker- do not worry - it is just fine no matter for aviation or insurance industries
6 дн
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10 мин
русский term (edited):
������� �� �����
tariff dumping
"..According to the unions, there is a real threat of social and tariff dumping since the labour market for scaffolding workers has become more and more "Europeanised"..."
http://www.eiro.eurofound.eu.int/1999/11/inbrief/de9911224n....
"..Lion Air have denied any wrongdoing citing that they had previously filed a "reference fare" with the Government on the subject routing of Rp. 275,000. Furthermore, Lion Air insists that its low-fare policy does not represent tariff dumping, claiming their operating cost per passenger on the route for a 167 passenger aircraft is Rp. 160,000..."
http://www.balidiscovery.com/update/update360.asp
"..This has led to tariff dumping across the ports. While the marketing viewpoint is important, the tariffs should be based on the cost-recovery principle rather than a short-sighted business prospect..."
http://www.adb.org/Documents/PCRs/PRC/pcr_prc29200.pdf
"..If very low tariffs are made possible through State aid by third countries, such cases of tariff dumping must be addressed in the context of the Community's external policy towards third countries in the aviation sector..."
http://europa.eu.int/comm/competition/state_aid/legislation/...
http://www.eiro.eurofound.eu.int/1999/11/inbrief/de9911224n....
"..Lion Air have denied any wrongdoing citing that they had previously filed a "reference fare" with the Government on the subject routing of Rp. 275,000. Furthermore, Lion Air insists that its low-fare policy does not represent tariff dumping, claiming their operating cost per passenger on the route for a 167 passenger aircraft is Rp. 160,000..."
http://www.balidiscovery.com/update/update360.asp
"..This has led to tariff dumping across the ports. While the marketing viewpoint is important, the tariffs should be based on the cost-recovery principle rather than a short-sighted business prospect..."
http://www.adb.org/Documents/PCRs/PRC/pcr_prc29200.pdf
"..If very low tariffs are made possible through State aid by third countries, such cases of tariff dumping must be addressed in the context of the Community's external policy towards third countries in the aviation sector..."
http://europa.eu.int/comm/competition/state_aid/legislation/...
+1
57 мин
Konstantin Kisin
Великобритания
Великобритания
Native in русский
&
английский
Works in field
Великобритания
Bilingual Finance, Law & Business Pro
Native in: английский , русский
Works in: русский => английский, английский, английский => русский
Related KudoZ points
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4
русский term (edited):
������� �� �����
dumping
Given you explanation I think simply dumping would suffice. The term dumping already includes lowering of rates, to put something like rates dumping would be to say "lowering of rates of rates". As I say, tariff dumping is a term specific to the air travel industry, particularly to "no-frills" airlines and their policies.
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Note added at 1 hr 55 mins (2005-08-11 15:07:19 GMT)
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Clive, I am not sure that it\'s necessarily \"foreign market\". The sentence says that \"лимиты ответственности по ОСАГО\" grew as a result of Lithuania\'s EU entry but dumping could have been internal, i.e. excessive price (rate) competition on the domestic market. Excessive price/rate competition would be one way to put it, actually.
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Note added at 1 hr 55 mins (2005-08-11 15:07:19 GMT)
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Clive, I am not sure that it\'s necessarily \"foreign market\". The sentence says that \"лимиты ответственности по ОСАГО\" grew as a result of Lithuania\'s EU entry but dumping could have been internal, i.e. excessive price (rate) competition on the domestic market. Excessive price/rate competition would be one way to put it, actually.
4 дн
TransRussian
Native in русский
Works in field
Industry experience,dedication to detail
Native in: русский
Works in: русский => английский, английский => русский, болгарский => английский, and 1 more.
русский term (edited):
������� �� �������
cutting rates or slashing rates
IMHO this sounds more like it ...
at least I believe this is exactly what the author was trying to say.
perhaps strengthen it with "dramatic"
i would say from my own esperience with russian economc writings that the term dumping is often mis-used.
hope that helps but i guess we all need broader context
at least I believe this is exactly what the author was trying to say.
perhaps strengthen it with "dramatic"
i would say from my own esperience with russian economc writings that the term dumping is often mis-used.
hope that helps but i guess we all need broader context
Discussion
I'm sure "tariff dumping" is correct, but in context it sounds like an unnecessary use of jargon (but perhaps the speaker is to blame, not the translator).