Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

be notified to

English answer:

notify something to someone

Added to glossary by Sheila Wilson
Dec 30, 2010 13:25
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English term

notify to

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Hi,

I often read the term "notify to" and I was wondering if it sounds as strange to you as it does to me.

For instance: "The change in the number of study subjects must be notified to the competent authorities." OR "The event was notified to the government."

I am inclined to use the passive in these instances or find another workaround rather than using "notify to" because it sounds unidiomatic to me. Is it an accepted use in legal terminology or is it simply wrong?

Thank you for your input and happy new year.
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Jan 9, 2011 11:09: Sheila Wilson Created KOG entry

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (2): Tony M, Sharon Toh, MITI MCIL

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Discussion

JapanLegal Jan 1, 2011:
BE/Archaic... ...according to my American College Heritage (BE) and Black's Law Dictionaries (Archaic). It definitely sounds wrong to my American ear.
British Diana Dec 31, 2010:
@Tony and Sheila All right, you have convinced me now that there is notify "to" as well as "of", but I still think that any active sentence whether with "to" or "of" sounds awkward.
The examples in the Oxford Dictionary are both in the passive : "You will be notified of our decision" and "Births and deaths are required by law to be notified to the Registrar". I have yet to be convinced that a sentence like " The new father notified his child's birth to the Registrar" or " Yesterday I notified the sighting of Colorado beetles to the Min of Agriculture" would sound good.
Tony M Dec 30, 2010:
@ Diana I don't think this is either US or contemporary usage; it is well documented in authorittaive traditional resources such as OED, and is certainly perfectly familiar to me as a GB ENS born and bred.
British Diana Dec 30, 2010:
You will be notified if there are any changes I would only use this verb in the personal passive and with "of"

The authorities must be notified of the changes...
The government was notified of the event...

Or with a modal verb as Tony suggests
The fire brigade must be notified (OF that fact).
It is possible that contemporary usage is different, but I find it awkward. If the Asker lives in U.K. he will have more opportunities to hear it if it is a new idiom and not only an AE one.
Tony M Dec 30, 2010:
It's still a transitive verb... In both meanings: it's just that in 'to notify s/o of sthg', the direct object is the s/o, whereas in 'to notify sthg to s/o', it is the sthg that becomes the direct object.

The latter usage lends itself perhaps slightly better to a passive construction: "sthg must be notifed to s/o", but of course can't be used intransitively. "s/o must be notified of sthg", while perfectly possible and certainly frequently used, is perhaps a tad more awkward. And of course, if the transitive is required with only the direct object, then no preposition is needed at all: "In the event of fire, the fire-brigade must be notified [...of that fact]"!
Sheila Wilson Dec 30, 2010:
Agree that it's "notify someone" (no "to") But this is "something is notified to someone" = "notified someone of something"
Lingua.Franca (asker) Dec 30, 2010:
Further research Sheila, you're right. I just checked both Oxford dictionaries and they have "notify to". I had the same knee-jerk reaction as Allison :)

Thanks for the clarification.
Allison Wright (X) Dec 30, 2010:
My knee-jerk reaction was "that's a transitive verb", and was the only reason I clicked on the question. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/notify?show=0&t=12... bears this out. My Concise Oxford brick does not give "notify to", although I can accept that it has gained currency - in much the same way as "report back" has. In my mind "to notify" is to "give notice to", and therefore no need to repeat the implied "to".

Responses

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notify (sth) to (so)

Perfectly OK in my opinion.

My Oxford gives two usages:

The first is the one you suggested - you notify someone of/about something = inform

The other is also OK - you notify something to someone = report

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It's not just legal terminology but it is official/formal rather than normal spoken English.

BTW I don't think you can notify someone to someone else - with a person you have to use "report":

The criminal must be reported to the police

The crime must by notified/reported to the police
Peer comment(s):

agree Constantinos Faridis (X)
20 mins
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agree The Misha : This is a perfect example of legal speak, and it is widely enough used to be legitimate, whatever we may personally think of it.
35 mins
Thanks. Yes, I think I'd probably phrase things differently but that doesn't make this an error.
agree Lisa Miles
38 mins
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agree Tony M : Perfectly correct, normal usage; not specifically 'legalese', just more likely to be encountered in 'official'-type documents, of course. Cf. diseases (etc.) that are 'notifiable'.
3 hrs
Thanks. Yes, I remember that Colorado beetle sightings had to be notified to the Min of Ag in the UK
agree Sharon Toh, MITI MCIL : Yes. perfectly alright.
5 hrs
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agree Pham Huu Phuoc
13 hrs
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agree British Diana : My Oxford also gives two usages and the examples given are in the passive, see Discussion
17 hrs
Thanks Diana
agree Alexandra Taggart : to notify to, to inform, to supply information - I cannot see anything unusual.
3 days 6 hrs
Thanks Alexandra
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reported to

"Notified to" does not sound correct to me but it may that I am wrong as I do not work with legal documents/terminology. I would change it to "reported to" or (as you suggested) change the construction of the sentence:

The competent authorities must be notified of the change in the number of study subjects.

Perhaps "noted to" could also work:

The change in the number of study subjects must be noted to the competent authorities.

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Looking around on the Internet, I see many official government websites using "notify to" in the same context you have provided above. Perhaps it is a regional thing and is not used everywhere in the world.
Peer comment(s):

agree Tina Vonhof (X) : Absolutely: 'the change must be reported to' and 'the government should be notified of'.
2 hrs
Thank you, Tina. The phrase still sounds strange to me but it seems that it is actually okay in this context.
neutral Tony M : 'notify to' is perfectly correct, normal EN.
3 hrs
Thank you, Tony. I'd never heard this phrase before today, but after checking into it I am now convinced that it is okay in this context.
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