Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
getrost immer mit gegenwaertigem Geiste
English translation:
(his spirit at ease) and with full presence of mind
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Timoshka
Mar 19, 2012 19:53
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German term
getrost immer mit gegenwaertigem Geiste
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Genealogy
This comes from an old (1789) entry in the church registers, concerning the death of a prominent citizen: "Auf seinem Krankenlager hat er jeder Zeit Geduld Muth Standhaftigkeit und bewundernswuerdige Geistes Kraeffte und Vertrauen auf Gott und seinen Tod ohne Furcht getrost immer mit gegenwaertigem Geiste erwartet."
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +1 | (his spirit at ease) and with full presence of mind | Johanna Timm, PhD |
3 +3 | in good cheer and in full command of his senses | Wendy Streitparth |
Proposed translations
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(his spirit at ease) and with full presence of mind
mit gegenwärtigem Geiste= "fully aware" ( vgl. "geistesgegenwärtig")
Topos der Gegenüberstellung von praesenti corpore (mit gegenwärtigem Leibe) - praesenti animo
(mit gegenwärtigem Geist)
http://tiny.cc/crrfbw
Beliebte Formulierung in einer bestimmten historischen Epoche:
z.B.
„und vollendete, unter der äußersten Schwachheit seines Körpers, mit gegenwärtigem Geist….“
http://tiny.cc/porfbw
example from a contemporary obituary
He knew he was dying, and he did it with full presence of mind.
http://theroyaltrophy.com/site_2012/?p=1490
…and from a historical ob.:
“He died with a clear and full presence of mind”
http://tiny.cc/wdsfbw
Topos der Gegenüberstellung von praesenti corpore (mit gegenwärtigem Leibe) - praesenti animo
(mit gegenwärtigem Geist)
http://tiny.cc/crrfbw
Beliebte Formulierung in einer bestimmten historischen Epoche:
z.B.
„und vollendete, unter der äußersten Schwachheit seines Körpers, mit gegenwärtigem Geist….“
http://tiny.cc/porfbw
example from a contemporary obituary
He knew he was dying, and he did it with full presence of mind.
http://theroyaltrophy.com/site_2012/?p=1490
…and from a historical ob.:
“He died with a clear and full presence of mind”
http://tiny.cc/wdsfbw
Peer comment(s):
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Kirsten Bodart
: It has to do with the fact that one cannot receive the last rights if one's mind is not conscious. Nothing to do with senses.
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right, it's about the mind; I also like "confidently" that you suggested in the discussion box for "getrost"
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Vielen Dank!"
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12 hrs
in good cheer and in full command of his senses
Since Montaigne wants to critique the pretensions of the philosophers’ ability to face
dying and death in good cheer
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/org/conference/2003/krom.pdf
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Note added at 2 days18 hrs (2012-03-22 14:52:43 GMT) Post-grading
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@ Kirsten: I fail to detect any inference as to the man's confession.
dying and death in good cheer
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/org/conference/2003/krom.pdf
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Note added at 2 days18 hrs (2012-03-22 14:52:43 GMT) Post-grading
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@ Kirsten: I fail to detect any inference as to the man's confession.
Peer comment(s):
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Helen Shiner
: A much better formulation.
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Thanks, Helen.
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agree |
Rebecca Garber
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Thank you Rebecca
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Lancashireman
: Sorry not to have seen this Q earlier.
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Thanks, Andrew. Appreciated just the same - or even more!
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Discussion
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04660c.htm
(posted as reference already but maybe overlooked?) seems to be a historically appropriate formulation, seeing that the German church register entry mentioned in this question is dated in 1798. And at least it’s now established that mit gegenwärtigem Geiste does not refer to the presence of the Holy Spirit!
http://tinyurl.com/7ytxhwk
“Yohanan [ben Zakkai] died in full command of his senses, entirely aware of the next step in his life. Exemplifying a good death, he expressed his humility before the judgment that awaited. As he lay dying, no sage represented in the classical writings of Judaism cited Ps. 22:l, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” But if they died serenely, it was not with an excess of self-confidence or pride. For, with all humanity, all of them expected to come before God in judgment, and none took vindication for granted. Death takes place in the context of faith, and the spirituality of Judaism comes to concrete embodiment in that larger context as well. For sages and the Torah that they shaped for all of holy Israel, not only did death form a natural stage in human life, but it also marked a step on a longer journey, one that led to eternal life.
http://onedaringjew.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/ben-zakkai-juda...
It is, indeed, everything to do with it. And it is very often said of a person on their death bed. One for the natives perhaps?