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Jun 22, 2022 15:19
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Spanish term

RFC patrón origen

Spanish to English Bus/Financial Accounting Income tax etc...
Mexico. This appears in billing software strings (SAT, Mx.). I know what the RFC is, and I suppose that "RFC patrón" means "Employer RFC", but it's the "origen" part that has me stumped.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +3 Source employer tax ID (RFC)
References
RFC patrón origen: RFC de la persona que...

Discussion

neilmac (asker) Jun 22, 2022:
Re: Google hits What I find puzzling is that "Employer RFC" gets 2,940 results, but if you add either origin or source to the equation, it gets none. I often use Google search to check for usage frequency of different terms and it is usually quite helpful.
philgoddard Jun 22, 2022:
Thanks.
neilmac (asker) Jun 22, 2022:
@phil RFC stands for Registro Federal de Contibuyentes. It's a unique registration number issued by Mexico's tax collection agency, the SAT.
philgoddard Jun 22, 2022:
What's RFC?

Proposed translations

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Source employer tax ID (RFC)

I suppose you could just say "source" here.
"el campo de RFC de patrón origen, se refiere cuando el empleador a través de un tercero (fideicomiso) paga una jubilación o pensión."
https://idconline.mx/fiscal/2016/10/31/gua-para-el-llenado-d...
Note from asker:
I thought of that, but running it through Google gets zilch (Your search - "Source employer tax ID" - did not match any documents.) Surely this kind of official tax-related thing must have been translated somewhere previously?
The client leaves RFC and similar stuff in the original. They recently told me to leave Nº Pedimento as it was, saying that if it was translated ( Commercial Invoice nº) it might cause confusion. Go figure :-)
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard : There's no particular reason why it should get Google hits.
13 mins
Thanks, Phil, I agree, while a lot of tax regulation is written on the basis of international principles, the nuts and bolts of implementation aren't exactly interchangeable by any stretch.
agree James A. Walsh : Personally, I think "origen" can be dispensed with here, as employER makes it clear that it's not an employEE's tax ID https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...
5 hrs
agree ezpz : +1 James, I don't think "source" is necessary, probably why the low/nil google results.
20 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "This will have to do for now. Thanks again to everyone who contributed to this hardy perennial :-)"

Reference comments

2 hrs
Reference:

RFC patrón origen: RFC de la persona que fungió como patrón cuando el pago al trabajador se realice a través de un tercero como vehículo o herramienta de pago.

https://soporte.reachcore.com/hc/es/articles/202002763-Emiti...

Here's a question you asked in 2017 :-)

https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/accounting/627...

El “RFC Patrón Origen” (emisor), se utiliza para los contribuyentes que cumplen obligaciones por cuenta de sus integrantes

https://contaduriapublica.org.mx/2019/03/01/cfdi-de-nomina-y...

I think I would translate it as RFC of original employer.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2022-06-22 18:27:59 GMT)
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2.-RFC Patrón Origen
Solo aplica cuando el pago a trabajador se realice a través de un tercero, como es el caso de fondos de jubilación pagados a través de fideicomisos.

https://comfin.mx/haiat/reportes/13haiatamezcua.pdf


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Note added at 3 hrs (2022-06-22 18:33:21 GMT)
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In the following reference, 'patrón origen' has been translated as 'taxpayer'.

https://www.jadelrio.com/storage/posts/October2020/nuevo_com...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2022-06-22 19:15:31 GMT)
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Here it's taxpayer too.

The structure of the RFC varies depending on the type of taxpayer.
For individuals, it consists of 13 characters (4 letters followed by 6 digits and 3 alphanumeric characters) and for legal persons (and certain legal arrangements), it consists of 12 characters (3 letters followed by 6 digits and 3 alphanumeric characters). The first letters (4 or 3, respectively) belong to the name, the next 6 digits are the date of birth or date of incorporation, and the last 3 (or 2, for legal entities) belong to the check digits (homoclave).

https://www.oecd.org/tax/automatic-exchange/crs-implementati...
Note from asker:
Five years later and I'm still none the wiser about these terms. Thanks for posting the links, it's all grist to the mill.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Adrian MM. : That ref. - both of us found and you posted first - gives a hopelessly ambiguous answer of primary employer or contractor vs. withholding-at-source https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/accounting/627...
16 hrs
Hi, Adrian. I posted the link to the previous question as I thought Neil would find it amusing to see that he asked the same question five years ago!
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