Poll: At least some of my translation work involves machine translation or post-editing Thread poster: ProZ.com Staff
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I’ve used Deepl very, very occasionally (when I am tired or have some pain in my right hand)) as a very rough draft just to speed the typing up a bit.
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1. I don't touch it.
2. If I did, it wouldn't be translation work.
| | | | Alex Lichanow
Germany
Local time: 16:37
Member (2020)
English to German
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Two of my clients use MT to pre-translate some easy technical files, but do not insist on a reduced MTPE rate, so I basically handle those as translation jobs. Apart from that, I am an avid user of DeepL, especially for legal translation because, hands down, DeepL knows Legalese better than I do.
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expressisverbis
Portugal
Local time: 15:37
Member (2015)
English to Portuguese
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I have no problem touching it.
The only thing I don't touch is working into Brazilian Portuguese, for example, translating into a language other than my own, or translating something that I don't have any experience with.
Doing this when you are aware that you are not capable of doing it it's dangerous and unprofessional.
I work with one company that uses post-editing and the rate applied is the same used for translation. In transcreation or marketing jobs, obviously I don't u... See more I have no problem touching it.
The only thing I don't touch is working into Brazilian Portuguese, for example, translating into a language other than my own, or translating something that I don't have any experience with.
Doing this when you are aware that you are not capable of doing it it's dangerous and unprofessional.
I work with one company that uses post-editing and the rate applied is the same used for translation. In transcreation or marketing jobs, obviously I don't use any sort of NMT or PEMT.
I am quite happy with Language Weaver. DeepL can also deliver a great output.
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I was just talking to my sister about this a few days ago: I have no interest whatsoever in promoting the use of machine translation by doing post-editing for agencies or any subtitling companies, esp. now that I've gotten at least one inkling that its developers are trying to apply it to literary translations, too. I also have no interest in contributing to the demise of my own career, or to that of other translators' careers, esp, when it comes to translators who happen to be my friends.
... See more I was just talking to my sister about this a few days ago: I have no interest whatsoever in promoting the use of machine translation by doing post-editing for agencies or any subtitling companies, esp. now that I've gotten at least one inkling that its developers are trying to apply it to literary translations, too. I also have no interest in contributing to the demise of my own career, or to that of other translators' careers, esp, when it comes to translators who happen to be my friends.
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| | | | neilmac
Spain
Local time: 16:37
Spanish to English
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| True, but... | Jun 21, 2022 |
I don’t normally do that sort of thing for agencies. However, a lot of my work consists of proofreading, correcting and improving texts for publication in academic and scientific journals written in English by non-native authors from several different origins. Nowadays, it is pretty obvious that many of them are using MT to help them produce their initial drafts.
I have also used automatic translation software for over 20 years, starting with Systran back in the day, before they ... See more I don’t normally do that sort of thing for agencies. However, a lot of my work consists of proofreading, correcting and improving texts for publication in academic and scientific journals written in English by non-native authors from several different origins. Nowadays, it is pretty obvious that many of them are using MT to help them produce their initial drafts.
I have also used automatic translation software for over 20 years, starting with Systran back in the day, before they “improved it”, after which I stopped using it. Nowadays, Google and Deepl are a couple of tools in my armoury, although I don’t consider them a panacea, or a means for the inept to turn out decent translations. In my opinion, any tool is only as good as the person using it. ▲ Collapse
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Deepl is surprisingly good. Much better than any other system I've seen, and I've been involved in the MT development community for 40 years. Back in the day, I was involved in developing an MT system and postediting was part of training it. Like CAT tools, it constrains creativity and requires a lot of focus and concentration on the screen. I like to look a sentence, close my eyes and translate it through my fingers. The result is much more organic.
I have used Deepl for Portuguese... See more Deepl is surprisingly good. Much better than any other system I've seen, and I've been involved in the MT development community for 40 years. Back in the day, I was involved in developing an MT system and postediting was part of training it. Like CAT tools, it constrains creativity and requires a lot of focus and concentration on the screen. I like to look a sentence, close my eyes and translate it through my fingers. The result is much more organic.
I have used Deepl for Portuguese to English, and I have to say the quality is mind-blowing. ▲ Collapse
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I did MTPE in 2001, 2009-2010 and 2014. I had sworn to myself I wouldn't post-edit again because of how bored stiff I get doing that, and my last small attempt for a juggernaut wasn't worth my time, even at 0.07.
Then one of my main agency customers recently started offering me MTPE jobs. And I accepted, because well, self-inflicted rules are meant to be broken, and I charge by the hour without productivity expectations. Luckily, this type of work is very marginal compared to orders they ... See more I did MTPE in 2001, 2009-2010 and 2014. I had sworn to myself I wouldn't post-edit again because of how bored stiff I get doing that, and my last small attempt for a juggernaut wasn't worth my time, even at 0.07.
Then one of my main agency customers recently started offering me MTPE jobs. And I accepted, because well, self-inflicted rules are meant to be broken, and I charge by the hour without productivity expectations. Luckily, this type of work is very marginal compared to orders they send for proper translations. I'm not exactly a happy bunny ploughing through MT, but then straight translation is not always climactic either, and I'll have to pay 3 euros for 1000ml of petrol soon.
However, I never ever use MT for "first drafts" because it doesn't help: as I work only with agencies, if a text was MTPE-friendly, I'd get a MTPE job instead. And with voice recognition software, I can't even put forward the "less-typing" claim.
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